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MarcusB  
#1 Posted : 10 May 2011 14:44:54(UTC)
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MarcusB

I've just read the news that the HSE's Infoline will go in September. I instantly thought of the number of times I've seen "call Infoline" as a response to questions on this forum relating to RIDDOR and wondered if the loss of this resource is going to lead to under-reporting. I am aware that the HSE have been upgrading their website so maybe there won't be a problem... What do you think? http://healthsafety.jigs...the-hse-reporting-system
jay  
#2 Posted : 10 May 2011 17:55:51(UTC)
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jay

The HSE Infoline, as far as I am aware is different, from the ICC used for reporting RIDDOR. The HSE Press release also indicates that overall, the expectation is that the over 3 day reporting (or over 7 days if that is approved and changed) will be done online and HSE will improve the online forms, help, etc, but it is categorical that major injuries & fatalities will continue to be reported via the ICC Q&A on changes to incident reporting and Infoline services:- http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2011/hse-iccqa.htm HSE introduces new arrangements for online reporting of injuries and incidents:- http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2011/hse-icc.htm
teh_boy  
#3 Posted : 11 May 2011 08:31:53(UTC)
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teh_boy

Is this real? I have just put up 15 new H&S law posters, these all have the infoline number on them. I also issue the HSE law leaflet to all new employees - there are 100's of them in circulation now. What's the betting a new poster is on its way - *sigh*. We also have 100s of employees who don't have access to computers!! (We are in Devon, I am sure these things will arrive soon but still)
MarcusB  
#4 Posted : 11 May 2011 08:59:12(UTC)
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MarcusB

I hadn't thought of that - all of our employees also have the HSE leaflet with the Infoline number on it (although they are obviously encouraged to come to us first). I guess a new leaflet and poster are likely.
MarcusB  
#5 Posted : 11 May 2011 09:05:20(UTC)
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MarcusB

jay wrote:
The HSE Infoline, as far as I am aware is different, from the ICC used for reporting RIDDOR.
Indeed, however, I'm concerned that when someone wasn't sure if something was reportable or not they could call the Infoline for advice - after this is gone, is there a chance they will decide not to report if they are uncertain?
descarte8  
#6 Posted : 11 May 2011 09:05:31(UTC)
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descarte8

Interesting to see your in the Devon area Teh_Boy, im in plymouth atm on the naval base
teh_boy  
#7 Posted : 11 May 2011 10:19:47(UTC)
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teh_boy

descarte8 wrote:
Interesting to see your in the Devon area Teh_Boy, im in plymouth atm on the naval base
Will PM - I'm moving jobs to Plympton soon!
pastapickles  
#8 Posted : 11 May 2011 10:20:04(UTC)
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pastapickles

Well at least we all still have access to the IOSH Membership line, but it is a disappointment that something which is so widely published will come to and end. Like everyone else we display the poster and issue the leaflet so my stock will be useless soon, yet another cost for replacement.... but maybe the HSE are trying to reduce the number of H&S 'complaints' they receive. Previous topics have detailed when the after phoning the HSE to report an issue they did not respond, how will people report them now... online.
A Kurdziel  
#9 Posted : 11 May 2011 11:52:12(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Just a thought. We have until 2014 to put up the ‘new’ HSE posters or we will be breaking the law. These replace the name of the local HSE office with the Infoline number The HSE has decided to get rid of the Infoline from the end of this year. Will this make the ‘new’ posters invalid before we have even put them up? Will we have to spend money buying new 'new' posters?
colinreeves  
#10 Posted : 11 May 2011 13:52:37(UTC)
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colinreeves

A Kurdziel wrote:
Will we have to spend money buying new 'new' posters?
The government is short on money - this is just one facet of the debt reduction programme ...... ;-)
A Kurdziel  
#11 Posted : 11 May 2011 17:03:03(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

If we are forced to buy new posters then I suggest someone who works for a private employer with some time and money on their hands (they might exist somewhere!) challenge this decision on the grounds that it is unreasonable and contrary to law – government should not be changing regs just to make some money. I’d love to have a go but since I work for the government any money we spend with the HSE just goes back into the Treasury money go round!
DesertTraveller  
#12 Posted : 11 May 2011 17:57:00(UTC)
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DesertTraveller

I keep 4 HSE cards with contact details close to my desk; HSE Direct, HSE Books, RIDDOR reporting and the HSE Infoline. I know 35% cuts make funding 'extras' difficult but this is one service that the HSE should keep. Not all SME's have knowledge or access to the HSE website or know how to get the info once in the maze of links on the site. The infoline is a one stop shop for H&S info, it needs to be retained if at all possible; it provides a greatly needed service.
HSSnail  
#13 Posted : 12 May 2011 09:11:20(UTC)
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HSSnail

Desert Didn't HSE Direct close at the end of 2009 when HSE books started carrying the pdf versions to download? So that's two card you can get rid of - that's progress for you! Brian
tabs  
#14 Posted : 12 May 2011 11:56:22(UTC)
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tabs

This service is not provided by the HSE anyway - it is subcontracted to a certain EHS provider. There might be an opportunity for the line to continue with the same number, but made a "pay as you go" premium line and SME's can pay for their advice the same as those companies which employ advisers. If I was the suppler I would already be talking about taking over the number and have it divert to a message making the new terms clear before charges start... stay on the line if you want information and to start paying. Hang up if you don't.
Fletcher  
#15 Posted : 12 May 2011 12:32:20(UTC)
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Fletcher

My problem will be that I will not be able to find the answer to my question using the HSE website as I struggle now to pin down what I want even when I know its there. Take Care
MarcusB  
#16 Posted : 12 May 2011 17:28:24(UTC)
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MarcusB

Fletcher wrote:
My problem will be that I will not be able to find the answer to my question using the HSE website as I struggle now to pin down what I want even when I know its there.
I think this could be a problem for a lot of people - there is a lot of information available on the site but it's not always easy to find.
pastapickles  
#17 Posted : 24 May 2011 09:43:22(UTC)
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pastapickles

Response from HSE received yesterday regarding the Posters Mr Pickles, Sorry for the slow response. I have been asked to clarify the issues surrounding the Infoline number on the new law Poster. The law poster will be amended but it will not be revised until we go for reprint, for existing stock, we are designing a sticker to place over the reference to Infoline. There is no legal requirement for business to purchase a new poster with the sticky label on, they do still need to have the new poster by the specified change date. I hope this helps. Please let me know if you need any further details. Graham Graham Schofield Head of Publishing and Creative Services Communications Directorate Health and Safety Executive
bob youel  
#18 Posted : 24 May 2011 10:28:32(UTC)
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bob youel

I have used the info line myself a number of times and only recently where they could not help themselves they supplied a number/contact that could so I got my answer so once things go on line this 'extra' support will cease along with many other things and in my personal view there's tons of money out there but excuses are being used to shut services
teh_boy  
#19 Posted : 24 May 2011 12:37:58(UTC)
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teh_boy

Richard Pickles wrote:
we are designing a sticker to place over the reference to Infoline
That'll look really cool, I do hope it's another hologram! I have some spare Dr Who stickers i might put on my posters ;)
MarcusB  
#20 Posted : 24 May 2011 13:06:40(UTC)
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MarcusB

Thanks Richard for getting info about the poster. A sticker to place of the reference to Infoline? Doesn't sound great but at least they're not just going to bin their current stocks!
Steve Sedgwick  
#21 Posted : 24 May 2011 18:46:16(UTC)
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Steve Sedgwick

I have only ever used the info line once several years ago. The person I spoke to could not answer my query and he admitted that he was not an HS expert, but he said that he would make some enquiries and come back to me. When he rang me back he could only refer me to guidance on the web site that I was already aware of. From this experience I formed the view that the info line was staffed with students or admin staff that simply knew what info was available on the HSE web site. Not value for money. With regard to the HSE posters, I have never agreed that businesses should be compelled by law to buy posters that has some very basic information on ie a couple of names and phone numbers. Every business employing +5 people should have the ability and facilities to produce and display this info for themselves, for a few pence. Pity Lord Young missed this one. Steve
teh_boy  
#22 Posted : 25 May 2011 08:35:39(UTC)
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teh_boy

Steve Sedgwick wrote:
When he rang me back he could only refer me to guidance on the web site that I was already aware of.
My friend who is an inspector does that when I call him :)
Steve Sedgwick wrote:
Pity Lord Young missed this one. Steve
Well said!
MB1  
#23 Posted : 15 June 2011 16:09:19(UTC)
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MB1

Interesting that the HSE are now pushing enquiries towards the commercial sector (e.g. Consultants) for the non savvy web based users! http://www.hse.gov.uk/firstaid/accessing-faams.htm
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