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safetyman2010  
#1 Posted : 20 June 2011 17:04:57(UTC)
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safetyman2010

Hi Guys, Another issue to ask some advise. I have introduced a new emergency response system at site as they site has ignored this and never had a formal (implemented) system. We have consulted H&S reps and mgt team in process as well as local Fire service. At implementation stage there are members of the staff refusing to do fire warden duties and maintenance response duties (going to the fire alarm panel and communucating to Senior Fire Officer via radio of the location identified. They are ask to sweep area to confirm if fire condition or false alarm -This is only 2 people) They will get full training in procedure, fire extinguisher practical,etc. We did not get any volunteers for fire warden duty and maintenance staff refuse to do their task. They want payment to do anything not within their core job duties. (this is generally the comment when it comes to looking for new first aiders, H&S Reps, etc). We need these roles to operate and fulifill our duties under the legislation. Can we enforce this on selected employees? Thanks
David Bannister  
#2 Posted : 20 June 2011 17:20:08(UTC)
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David Bannister

Safetyman, I suggest that this problem sounds like part of a much wider issue relating to labour relations and management competence. This bigger problem needs to be addressed before volunteers come forward. Of course job descriptions can be altered by negotiation and agreement but this is a job best done by managers other than H&S management. Your question is not one I can provide a definitive answer to but a HR professional should be able to do so.
David H  
#3 Posted : 20 June 2011 20:08:55(UTC)
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David H

Must agree with S4B - sound like a culture problem to me. Forcing anyone to do things they do not want to will lead to poor performance - if they do it at all. And if its not in their contract then look out if you try and push it. You have advised management of their requirements to meet the regs - let them manage it. David
bob youel  
#4 Posted : 21 June 2011 08:01:09(UTC)
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bob youel

People must comply with the law and that's all U are asking them to do and a compliance statement etc does not need to be written into an employment contract/ job title etc!---- Please take note of the other postings as its good advice so let HR tackle the matter
JESU  
#5 Posted : 21 June 2011 08:27:04(UTC)
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JESU

Greetings!! Every department need to nominate volunteers for Fire warden & First aider. We need to train these people, HSE need to evalute thier performance in mock drills. If some one refuse to do his duty, then we need to excempt him. I thing its more of a personal commitment. Cheers Jesu, DXB
shaibani  
#6 Posted : 21 June 2011 13:59:40(UTC)
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shaibani

Hi gents: I faced this problem as well when we nominated our Ergo and Fire wardens .I agree with David , it's a Culture problem. When I had this problem, I presented this issue to our managment and asked each group supervisor to nominate an Ergo and fire warden from his groups , as I couldn't find any volunteers .
pastapickles  
#7 Posted : 21 June 2011 20:44:32(UTC)
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pastapickles

We have a number of First Aiders who get a small payment each month, our fire wardens did not used to get the payment but out managers agreed that they have to respond in the same way as first Aiders so they get a similar payment. - It's a good way of saying thank you to the people who are trained to respond in an emergency. But if they all refused to be wardens any more besides the cutural issue which would need to be addressed, most contracts have a clause saying "or any other dutie needed or as prescribed from time to time" also Employees have a duty under HSAWA Section 7 to "Co-operate with employers or other persons so far as is necessary to enable them to perform their duties or requirements under the Act." So they don't have much choice if you require them to perform additional duties leave the rest to Managers and HR Just my opinion
Leslie3048  
#8 Posted : 22 June 2011 13:57:49(UTC)
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Leslie3048

I agree with most posts. This does seem like a culture problem to me. Not sur if they are conbtravening HSAWA Section 7 though.
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