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Swift25583  
#1 Posted : 23 June 2011 12:01:40(UTC)
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Swift25583

Can anyone give me any guidance of what is involved with going through the UVDB Achilles Verify Process, especially with regards to audit criteria etc. I have looked on the website and spoken to people over the phone, but it is almost like it is a trade secret with them only being prepared to tell me what it involves, audit criteria and how in depth they want to look after we have paid our money which is a bit late if we then decide it is not for us at this point in time. Any information gratefully received. Many Thanks in advance. Paul
jde  
#2 Posted : 23 June 2011 12:35:30(UTC)
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jde

The Achilles audit process is very thorough. They will come to your office and audit your management system and question various parties and inspect your paperwork, this is usually day1. They will then make a site visit to confirm if you actually "do what it says on the tin" i.e. your system at site level reflects your policy and procedures. I have found them to be very helpful. If you are going to be working with the utilities industry, water gas etc, then the achilles verification is a useful, nay almost essential accreditation.
Swift25583  
#3 Posted : 27 June 2011 11:12:17(UTC)
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Swift25583

Thanks for the information. Do you know what they use as the basis for their Audit Criteria? If it is exactly the same as ISO 9001 / 14001 / OHSAS 18001, what is the benefit to just going for normal third party registration? Many Thanks. Paul
DaveDaniel  
#4 Posted : 27 June 2011 13:07:50(UTC)
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DaveDaniel

Paul: they seem to have their own criteria, which changes each time as far as my client found. It was also heavily biased towards the water/utilities industry (they are crane hire co) and if they needed to get Achilles for rail work, there's a whole different system and they have to pay again and go through the whole process twice. Achilles will only release their criteria to paid-up applicants. It is very extensive although my client's complained before about their implementation - some years ago they claimed to have done and charged him for a site visit when none took place. This year he was told there was a dearth of "emergency procedures" but on asking what emergencies needed procedures, the auditor couldn't explain. The guidance seemed to suggest things specific to the water industry but inappropriate to crane hire. As with all these systems, everything is "tick box" related. The usual problem applies. Unless your core business is with a company demanding this, you're paying for something no-one else is interested in. In their case only a small fraction of their work requires Achilles and you have to question whether it's worth it. Regards Dave
joespurs  
#5 Posted : 27 June 2011 13:51:02(UTC)
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joespurs

Paul, I agree with Dave regarding their audit criteria, the process covers not just health and safety,but also environment and quality I found the scoring some what subjective compared to other audits. I agree it is expensive and time consuming and you need to ensure your company's data is checked regularly. To be cost effective you need to supplying or contrator working in the utility industries, you made need some external assistance if you want to reach an acceptable score. Regards Joe
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