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Good morning
I wonder if anyone can help me?
My partner works at a school. As part of their curriculum they are arranging a day with the army, where they come into school and the children undertake various activities. They are generally what we used to call 'command tasks' when I was in the army. Nothing too arduous, mainly pretend river crossings etc. in a field.
My partner has been informed by the army that they will not allow any children diagnosed with ADHD to take part. Personally I think this is discriminatory and cannot see how this could be justified.
Teaching staff will be on hand and no other groups have been identified as not being able to take part.
Does anyone have any experience of this or reasoning? I realise this isn't strictly H&S, but just wondered if anyone could advise?
Many thanks
Ian
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Hi Ian,
Understand your point but think about how the young soldier or junior NCO would cope with the defiance and disobedience.
Having been a soldier and had step children with ADHD the reasons are glaringly obvious to me.
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Hi
Yes, however, children will often be under medication and according to people who work with them, may be no worse behaved than anyone else? Teaching staff will be there as well.
It's a difficult matter because other children who may have other physical or mental conditions are not being kept out, for example autism, aspergers etc.
The issue I think is one of whether the DDA applies as well, or if the army have crown immunity in this case as well?
Thanks
Ian
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This isn't something the army have been trained to deal with. I suspect that if they have specifically mentioned ADHD it will no doubt be because of a negative experience and not through foresight.
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Good on the Army I say,
They have obviously put time and effort into their risk assessments and have put a control in for a forseeable risk.
I understand that it probably doesn't seem politically correct, but they are worried about safety, the forces are now one of the most PC organisations that I know of, so they wouldn't take exclusion lightly.
Surely you shouldn't be putting people in danger just to satisy the Equality Act, that doesn't stand up in other arenas such as HM Forces, Policing, Firefighting etc..... it's also why some short people aren't allowed on rollercoasters..... correct me if I a wrong though...
Having a teacher on hand won't stop someone 'falling off the log' I presume.....
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Thanks Ken
They are literally going to be stood on a sports pitch. I could understand exclusion if they were going to be at height, on tanks or given weapons. It just seems a bit over the top to say the least. Also, if they are going to exclude this disability, why have they not identified other behavioural issues.
I'm ex forces, so I do understand the risk, which in this case seems to be absolutely minimal.
I would be interested to see the risk assessment, but I doubt they'd share it.
My fear is it will no doubt end up in the press and I await the 'health and safety' label being used.
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Hi Ian,
I have to agree with you, that if the risks are that minimal then why exclude. Are you sure the exclusion is for safety reasons rather than a management one, has it been raised with their OC?
I was thinking climbing wall type scenarios'...
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Hi Ken
Not sure, I'll check. They haven't mentioned safety at the moment, but I was just wondering if anyone has experience of this issue elsewhere. Good idea to ask their OC.
Thanks
Ian
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Is the unit undertaking all the exercises themselves?
Has the school discussed this at an early enough stage to discuss individual needs and what joint assistance could be given to overcome this kind of thing?
If not then I expect the team have been put solely in charge and likely to be expected to undertake these exercises themselves hence their rules apply!
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Apart from one situation the army is subject to all the laws etc that we are and I would say that this [without knowing all the parameters] is a case of discrimination - talk to the representative of the army ASAP as they may not know
ADHD people are all over the place in the public environment in any case
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Thanks Bob
I may also contact you offline.
Cheers
Ian
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The exercise will no doubt involve a simulation involving shouting or barked orders - all a necessary part of the exercise. Some on the ADHD spectrum will react adversely to that and may kick-off.
You should have access to specialist advisers in an Educational Setting regarding these matters, and those supporting the youngsters directly should have a good knowledge and awareness of these issues.
Not discriminatory at all IMHO.
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Ron
That's a good point about being shouted at. I'll mention that when I discuss it.
Thanks
Ian
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