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Thorn2795  
#1 Posted : 29 June 2011 10:32:16(UTC)
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Thorn2795

Do anyone have any relevant knowledge or information regarding the protection of fire escape routes from pictures and paintings that have been hung there. I work in a school and i have raised this as an issue but need supporting legislation linked to risk assessments etc. Thanks Barry
jay  
#2 Posted : 29 June 2011 11:45:19(UTC)
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jay

If you refer to:- page 49 of the "Fire Safety Risk Assesment :Guide for Educational Premises" Part 2 : Further guidance on fire risk assessment and fire precautions 1.10 : Particular hazards in corridors and stairways used as escape routes It mentions that items that are a source of fuel, pose an ignition risk, or are combustible and likely to increase the fire loading or spread of fire, should not be located on any corridor, stairway or circulation space that will be used as an escape route. The examples cited are:- #portable heaters, e.g. bottled gas (LPG) or electric radiant heaters and electric convectors or boilers; #gas cylinders for supplying heaters; #cooking appliances; and #unenclosed gas pipes, meters, and other fittings. However, it also mentions that depending on the findings of the risk assessment and where more than one escape route is available, the items cited as examples below may be acceptable if the minimum exit widths are maintained and the item presents a relatively low fire risk: #non-combustible lockers; #vending machines; #small items of electrical equipment (e.g. photocopiers); and #small coat racks and/or small quanitities of upholstered furniture which meets BS 717684 or the Furniture and Furnishings (Fire) (Safety) Regulations
firesafety101  
#3 Posted : 29 June 2011 12:15:02(UTC)
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firesafety101

If your requirement for the protected route is class "O" surface spread of flame then anything you place on the walls of that route will affect the fire rating, no point adhering to the requirement if you are to defeat it later.
A Kurdziel  
#4 Posted : 29 June 2011 12:27:30(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Lets apply some brain power here rather than relying on applying someone else’s guidelines and documentation. What impact would a few posters have on the walls? Is there a serious fire risk in that building? Remember schools are expected to put children’s work on the walls- Oftsed inspectors like to see this stuff.
firesafety101  
#5 Posted : 29 June 2011 13:49:01(UTC)
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firesafety101

Do OFSTED inspectors do fire risk assessment? Stuff on walls in classrooms OK but not lots of paper on a means of escape. Christmas decorations?
ptaylor14  
#6 Posted : 29 June 2011 14:16:11(UTC)
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ptaylor14

ChrisBurns wrote:
Do OFSTED inspectors do fire risk assessment? Stuff on walls in classrooms OK but not lots of paper on a means of escape. Christmas decorations?
I despair !!!!!!! This is just somebody wanting to have a dig at sombody else. Pictures, poster, notice boards whatever are no problem at all. The other obstacles heaters coffee machine etc are. OFSTED inspectors may ask to see the fire risk assessments
Safety Smurf  
#7 Posted : 29 June 2011 14:27:15(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

ChrisBurns wrote:
Do OFSTED inspectors do fire risk assessment? Stuff on walls in classrooms OK but not lots of paper on a means of escape. Christmas decorations?
Perhaps an understanding of the difference between horizontal and vertical fire spread might enlighten a few people.
Mr.Flibble  
#8 Posted : 29 June 2011 15:30:00(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

This was a story from last year (it is the telegraph though!) http://www.telegraph.co....risk-say-inspectors.html Covers the same issue, I remembered something about it at the time. The fire report said: "FSO Article 14 (2)(b): Combustible fabric/paper on escape routes would allow a fire to spread quickly and could prevent the means of escape."
kdrum  
#9 Posted : 29 June 2011 16:12:04(UTC)
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kdrum

I suppose like so many other issues its down to FRA, how many escape routes are there etc. If a protected route has 30 fire resist properties you would hope the building was evacuated by the time a few pictures on the wall became a risk to impede a save evacuation. I work in a college and we have a fair amount of posters etc on notice boards in most corridors, some of which are proteced routes. We did ask after a refurbishment, when going over escape routes, fire exits, signage etc with the local fire service if we needed to cover notice boards and the general feeling was that we were ok
firesafety101  
#10 Posted : 29 June 2011 16:28:32(UTC)
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firesafety101

I just looked at the article and see what the fire officer is talking about - I fully agree with him. The head talks about destroying the character of the school - well there is something that would destroy the whole school, not just it's character and we all know what that is? This is not just a case of fire risk assessment it is law enforcement by the fire authority and protection of the children. As I say if class "O" is required then don't put anything on the walls that will defeat that standard. The recent fire deaths in London flats were contributed by the walls not being class "O".
edlancion  
#11 Posted : 30 June 2011 05:38:17(UTC)
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edlancion

i've just agreed with all the comment and information that our members had just pointed out, its better to do a risk assessment with regards to this matter. poster and paintings is a combustible materials and placing this things near fire escape could be a hazards in case of fire. just try to elaborate this type of things to the management maybe they would probably agree with your risk assessment. reagrds
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