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chas  
#1 Posted : 29 June 2011 12:12:51(UTC)
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chas

For practitioners in the education sector..... have any of you undertaken any noise risk assessments for staff working in School/University Music Deprtments. If so can you give contact details (PM me) of the contractor/consultant you used (we are in the South East London area if that helps). It is proving hard to find a consultant who can take measurements and provide advice that is sensitive towards the needs of musicians. We want to try and avoid industrial solutions to what is essentially a non industrial environment. Thanks in advance.
Ron Hunter  
#2 Posted : 29 June 2011 13:05:50(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Porfessional musicians routinely wear hearing protection, why not music teachers?
chas  
#3 Posted : 29 June 2011 13:25:41(UTC)
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chas

Because there may be other solutions such as layout, timimg of lessons, configuration of rehearsal rooms and other acoustic control measures that can be taken before issuing PPE to staff, which is as we all know the last option in the hierarchy of measures. This coupled with the fact that staff are unlikely to routinely wear the PPE provided means we need some specific and specialised advice.
Gary Clarkson  
#4 Posted : 29 June 2011 22:51:58(UTC)
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Gary Clarkson

I did some of this type of work when I was employed by a LA in Scotland, some very interesting results (especially the drumming and horn teachers given the wee rooms they used 6 hours per day). the BBC did a detailed study on noise exposure in symphony orchestras ( a bit different, but a usful reference point) google it. There are some good technical solutions out there ( but don't forget the simple ones like turning the levels down, using electronic drum pads, acoustic screens, etc.
Ron Hunter  
#5 Posted : 29 June 2011 23:16:23(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Good luck with that.
HSSnail  
#6 Posted : 30 June 2011 17:37:04(UTC)
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HSSnail

Chas apologies if I am giving you information you have already have, but have you seen the following web site? http://www.soundadvice.info/ I have not looked at schools etc, so I don't really know what level of exposure you will be faced with, but I have worked with people in the entertainment industry. Its an uphill battle as most people like the noise they are creating/working with or they would not be doing it in the first place. Its only years later when they develop hearing loss and its two late that they regret the exposure. There have been some good news articles recently from musicians who are suffering. Try using an Internet search engine on Pete Townsend Hearing Loss (probably showing my age and musical taste or lack of musical taste there) and you may get some useful information to present to your audience. Good luck with your endeavours.
chas  
#7 Posted : 01 July 2011 08:59:02(UTC)
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chas

Thanks Brian. I am familiar with the soundadvice info. We did some desktop studies a while ago using the HSE calculator and generic noise levels so some procedures are in place. However since we are including our grounds and property maintenance staff and DT staff in the noise study we felt the musicians should also be included hence the need for some specific and specialist advice. It is certainly proving to be an uphill struggle, but we will get there in the end! Thanks again.
Haines40637  
#8 Posted : 01 July 2011 14:16:34(UTC)
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Haines40637

Chas, Am doing a project on this in Gloucestershire monitoring noise exposure of peripatetic music teachers. I've been using personal dose meter badges (our own) and monitoring weekly exposures as their daily routine/schools visited differs on daily basis (the new regs allow for weekly assessment). Early results show for brass and reed teachers weekly exposure levels are consistently above the first action level. There appears to be little we can do to control this as they cannot build in enough quiet periods during the day as they are paid by the lesson, most schools (unless new) have small and not sound attenuated rehearsal room, the use of mutes is variable and we cannot control their evening activities such as playing in other bands etc. The only viable option is to offer hearing protection (musician type) and advise they need to wear this for at least a couple of hours a day to drop below the 80dBA threshold. I believe the regs need amending to allow for the weeks of low exposures they are probably getting outside of term time to be factored in i.e. we need a yearly exposure assessment/calculation.
Ron Hunter  
#9 Posted : 04 July 2011 12:46:46(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Difficult times. Some LA Education Authorities are looking at money saving options including withdrawing music tuition. Suggesting significant expenditure on engineering methods is not going to go down well. I don't believe factoring holiday quiet periods into an annualised exposure would be considered a physiologically valid approach.
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