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Kim Hedges  
#1 Posted : 30 June 2011 18:34:30(UTC)
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Kim Hedges

Regarding H.S.E. link http://www.hse.gov.uk/contact/ask.htm


OK, so I see something that my recent safety training has instructed me is an unsafe act or incident, whilst I am a member of the public (not in a work situation).

I've seen recently:

A lone installation worker from Sky working unsafely (I think),
A lone rubbish collector both driving and collecting rubbish on a busy road,
Scaffolding seen without toe-boards and not tied into brickwork at the 40ft height,
Delivery truck with tail lift, but missing rails and plates, delivering on busy road.

Should I ignore it, do you ignore it?

What should I do, what would you do?






RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 30 June 2011 21:05:34(UTC)
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RayRapp

Always a difficult call Kim, I suspect there are no right or wrong answers with this one. Most people would not give you a thank you, some even worse.

By a strange coincidence a similar scenario occurred to me only this week. Whilst standing on the terrace of my golf club I spotted a landscape gardener cutting a privet on a metal step ladder with a chain saw in his hands. Furthermore, it was pouring with rain, thunder and lightening all around! My mates were laughing their heads off when one looked at me and said "Ray, don't even bother to think about it." The moment passed...with some liquid refreshments.
firesafety101  
#3 Posted : 01 July 2011 08:59:12(UTC)
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firesafety101

Being in health and fire safety for as long as I have it becomes second nature to observe hazardous events as part of my day to day activities, whether working or not.

I take photos when I can and have quite a collection, I must get round to organising them sometime.

I once reported to HSE a cladding company operating off a youngerman board at height with no fall protection. I don’t know if action was taken but barrier rails appeared that afternoon.

I once observed a gardener trimming a hedge across the road from me, standing on the roof of his van parked on the pavement to reach the top of the hedge. When he finished that one his mate drove the van to the next hedge across the road, this time he was lying on the roof until he got to the hedge then stood up to precede cutting. He was using petrol driven hedge trimmer.

I see things all the time, yesterday I drove past a portable access tower set up on a pavement with cones and chains around and even a warning notice. There was nobody working on the platform but I commented to my wife how good it was, toeboards etc. Then when returning we saw the worker atop the platform and a step ladder alongside, obviously used to access the platform so not so good after all.

I have a good photo of a painter standing on the pitched roof of a porch painting the upper window sills, no fall protection.

I once wrote to a high street shoe retailer with a photo I took in store of a blocked fire exit, I offered my services as a fire consultant to them but this was rejected due to their so called excellent in house fire safety. Not that good or I would not have taken the photo. They did thank me however.

We do lead a sad existence don’t we?



TraceyP  
#4 Posted : 01 July 2011 11:19:26(UTC)
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TraceyP

A couple of weeks back I saw a chappie stood on a house roof jet-washing the moss off......had to look twice
m  
#5 Posted : 01 July 2011 12:43:42(UTC)
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m

Just this week I saw a painter standing on a ledge over a shop 2.5 m up with no edge protection for him and nothing to cordon off the area below, ie the shop entrance. I took a picture with my camera; luckily it has a twisty screen so I don't look too obvious when taking the picture
A Kurdziel  
#6 Posted : 01 July 2011 13:07:51(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

So you see something bad happening what do you do? Remember you are not an inspector and at the person involved are not one of your employees; you have absolutely no authority to make themn do anything.
So ...you go over and offer some friendly advice, if you are lucky they take it in good grace but more than likely ignore you. If you are unlucky you might get verbal abuse or worse, remember the sort of cowboys that cut corners are also the sort that, claim the dole while working on the side, don’t pay their taxes or employ illegal labour.
So keep your head down amend maybe phone the LA or HSE. But they are not an emergency service, they have never had enough manpower to keep people on standby and now it is likely to be worse. Your message will be logged somewhere, someone might see it and they might come over to have look but most likley the guys will have moved on by then.
Perhaps this is part of the new Big Society thing: as well as relying on untrained parents to come in and cover for striking teachers perhaps members of the public can put on hi-viz jackets and become the “new” Health and Safety inspectors!
firesafety101  
#7 Posted : 01 July 2011 14:26:30(UTC)
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firesafety101

Very interesting and coincidental that this report comes out today when we are discussing reporting incidents.


http://www.info4fire.com..._Title=&Omni_Source=
Kim Hedges  
#8 Posted : 03 July 2011 14:56:51(UTC)
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Kim Hedges

All good comments thank you. Nice fire link.

I didn't think there was an emergency HSE callout, perhaps I'm just a bit more naive than the next person, but I would have expected a better national safety response from the H.S.E. I read on the American OSHA web pages that they have an emergency response and an emergency telephone number -- proving it can be done.

Kim Hedges  
#9 Posted : 03 July 2011 15:01:58(UTC)
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Kim Hedges

Yesterday, on Saturday, I was doing some shopping and saw a man watering his plants at his shop with a watering can, but he was standing on a 6 inch ledge about 8 feet above the pavement. I shouted up to him, ''Hello, would you like me to hold your ladder whilst you get down?'' ''Oh Yes, thanks, I have to do this everyday'' he said.

I must remember to carry a camera - good idea that.
johnmurray  
#10 Posted : 03 July 2011 15:28:43(UTC)
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johnmurray

Camera.
Don't let the police see you. They're under the illusion that taking pictures is illegal.
Who to tell ?
Walking my grandson past a [large] housing development.
Four guys standing around, one guy using a disc-cutter to trim a kerbstone.
Ok, I approached and they stopped and waited; one tick.
As I went past I noted that in spite of the operation nearby of a digger (20 metres) not one was wearing a hard-hat.
The cutter operator was not wearing eye protection or rpe, or hardhat. The cutter was operating without the dust damper.
I just phoned the guy in charge of H&S at the developers.
He quite cheerfully informed me that they have a hard time keeping the workforce in line. Then said that they [developer/contractor] were ok because the HSE had told them the guy was liable....
firesafety101  
#11 Posted : 03 July 2011 20:35:45(UTC)
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firesafety101

Talking of disc cutters - I recently had some flagging/block laying done at home and asked the workers to use water when power cutting so that dust would be suppressed. Also suggested politely that they wear masks and goggles.

All was well, until after they had finished the work and my next door neighbour told me he had to wash his car due to the dust. They apparently waited for me to go out then cut the blocks dry.

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