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...on the recent news that provisional figures for work related fatalities have increased by 16%!
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And if the rate of increase feeds through to the numbers of injured as well that would mean around 31,000 major injuries, and over 114,000 3 day absence injuries (no wonder they want to increase 3 days to 7!)
We will have to wait a while for those figures, but if they do come to pass it will be the worst performance for almost 10 years.
Just the right time to ease up on H&S then!
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Clive, I'll take that as a yes. :-)
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Never let the facts get in the way of a good moan....!
"The figure of 171 worker deaths in 2010-2011 is 17 per cent lower than the average for the past five years (205). The rate of fatal injuries has also decreased, with the latest figure of 0.6 per 100,000 workers being 14 per cent lower than the five-year average rate of 0.7."
Every injury, and in particular every fatality, are of course regrettable, but the trend is DOWN.
This sort of nonsense, by individuals and by the various trade press/safety organisations, is no more appropriate than a predictable puffed-up claim of 'aren't we important' when the number falls slightly next year.
With such a low incidence and small numbers, small variations are inevitable. The only meaningful metric is the 5-year trend. As that continues to fall, the comments here seem more than a little misguided.
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Ian, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Indeed, Mr Grayling our 'health and safety' champion does it quite a lot, normally about red tape, bureaucracy, school trips and so on. I thought it would be useful if he commented on something more important...like people getting killed at work!
Not wishing to play politics with numbers and the trend may be down, which is also normal in a recession, but recent figures show a marked increase. We are all aware that this increase may be a blip, on the other hand, it may be the beginning of a new upward trend - I don't have crystal balls.
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Ian.Blenkharn wrote:Never let the facts get in the way of a good moan....!
"The figure of 171 worker deaths in 2010-2011 is 17 per cent lower than the average for the past five years (205). The rate of fatal injuries has also decreased, with the latest figure of 0.6 per 100,000 workers being 14 per cent lower than the five-year average rate of 0.7."
Every injury, and in particular every fatality, are of course regrettable, but the trend is DOWN.
This sort of nonsense, by individuals and by the various trade press/safety organisations, is no more appropriate than a predictable puffed-up claim of 'aren't we important' when the number falls slightly next year.
With such a low incidence and small numbers, small variations are inevitable. The only meaningful metric is the 5-year trend. As that continues to fall, the comments here seem more than a little misguided. The facts seem to me that there were more work related deaths in 2010-2011 than in the previous year!
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RayRapp wrote:Ian, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Indeed, Mr Grayling our 'health and safety' champion does it quite a lot, normally about red tape, bureaucracy, school trips and so on. I thought it would be useful if he commented on something more important...like people getting killed at work!
Not wishing to play politics with numbers and the trend may be down, which is also normal in a recession, but recent figures show a marked increase. We are all aware that this increase may be a blip, on the other hand, it may be the beginning of a new upward trend - I don't have crystal balls. You may not have Crystal Balls but at leaset you have some (I assume) on the other hand Mr Grayling....
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Haven't seen or heard this but it would be interesting to hear how an increase in workplace death is "spun".
Have the unions said anything?
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Ian.Blenkharn wrote:Never let the facts get in the way of a good moan....!
"The figure of 171 worker deaths in 2010-2011 is 17 per cent lower than the average for the past five years (205). The rate of fatal injuries has also decreased, with the latest figure of 0.6 per 100,000 workers being 14 per cent lower than the five-year average rate of 0.7."
Every injury, and in particular every fatality, are of course regrettable, but the trend is DOWN.
This sort of nonsense, by individuals and by the various trade press/safety organisations, is no more appropriate than a predictable puffed-up claim of 'aren't we important' when the number falls slightly next year.
With such a low incidence and small numbers, small variations are inevitable. The only meaningful metric is the 5-year trend. As that continues to fall, the comments here seem more than a little misguided. Depends how you view stats average workplace fatalities over last 4 yrs have averaged 182 so if you consider fatalities in 07/09 were 233 yes you could argue, if you were a politician, statatician or any body else whose likes to massage figures to their benefit, that the trend is down. But bearing in mind, as others have said, we are in a recession, so in my book an increase of 17%, 147 up to 171, is a huge concern and as Ray points out, we can only hope this is not the start of un upward trend. I am sure none of us want to be here next year saying - ah! so Mr Grayling was wrong!
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In answer to Fletcher's question about Union comment - the answer is yes:-
TUC concern over rise in deaths at work
Commenting on the latest figures for workplace fatalities released today (Tuesday) by the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) which show 171 people were killed at work last year, TUC General Secretary Brendan Barber said:
'While you cannot read too much into one year's figures, everyone will be concerned about this rise in workplace deaths, especially given the steady fall in fatalities we have seen in recent years.
'The responsibility for the increase in deaths this year must be placed at the door of negligent employers, but more needs to be done to ensure that all employers protect their workers from harm.
'The government's recent decision to reduce workplace inspections and the budget cuts for both the HSE and local authorities make it more far less likely that problems will be identified before something goes wrong.
'Traditionally injury rates increase as we come out of a recession. If we are going to stop this year's increase becoming a long-term trend we need more inspections in the workplace - not less.'
Not happy then!
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