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piobaire  
#1 Posted : 13 July 2011 12:58:47(UTC)
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piobaire

We currently categorise our residual risks in our task specific risk assessments. There has been a suggestion that for these task specific risk assessments the risk matrix is removed. The theory being that all the control measures identified in the risk assessment are those that are required and must be in place to carry out the task safely and that if any of them were not in place the task will not proceed, therefore, categorisation of risk e.g. low, medium or high is irrelevant. Anyone got any thoughts or advice?
Safety Smurf  
#2 Posted : 13 July 2011 13:24:08(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

stuart.webster wrote:
We currently categorise our residual risks in our task specific risk assessments. There has been a suggestion that for these task specific risk assessments the risk matrix is removed. The theory being that all the control measures identified in the risk assessment are those that are required and must be in place to carry out the task safely and that if any of them were not in place the task will not proceed, therefore, categorisation of risk e.g. low, medium or high is irrelevant. Anyone got any thoughts or advice?
I don't put them in mine either. We work on a binary system. Is the risk adequately controlled?; YES or NO
Andrew W Walker  
#3 Posted : 13 July 2011 13:30:05(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

I don't use a matrix either. I look at the task, person & environment. As with Smurf: Is the risk controlled adequately- yes or no. Andy
Guru  
#4 Posted : 13 July 2011 13:38:19(UTC)
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Guru

Personally I do use a risk matrix, but Im very much open to the idea of the binary system of YES / NO. Looking at the actual value of risk matrix one must ask themselves what is the benefits in using one, other than to rank and rate your hazards.
Jake  
#5 Posted : 13 July 2011 14:03:32(UTC)
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Jake

I agree with what has already been said. We do use a matrix, but for the sole purpose of prioritisation and ranking (which allows us to highlight to operational management the key hazards / tasks etc. Unless you have conducted a purely quantitative risk assessment, the number is relativelty meaningless apart from in relation to other hazards within your risk assessment!
colinreeves  
#6 Posted : 13 July 2011 14:10:22(UTC)
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colinreeves

One advantage of the matrix is to show how close to "yes" or "no" the risk is - I use this to decide how frequently the risk assessment needs to be reviewed. This is in line with the Approved Code of Practise for my industry which states "An assessment must be reviewed and updated as necessary" and "Risk Assessment and control is a continual process. Hence, written risk assessments should be subject to periodic formal reviews to confirm the validity of the assessment and whether the risk controls are still effective and adequate."
RayRapp  
#7 Posted : 13 July 2011 14:10:48(UTC)
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RayRapp

As a rule, I think they are a waste of time and effort. However, one particularly large client I will not mention, insists that all method statements include a 5 by 5 RA matrix system. Another for the Lofstedt Review!
colinreeves  
#8 Posted : 13 July 2011 14:13:19(UTC)
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colinreeves

As above, the Approved CoP for my industry recommends using a matrix, albeit an odd 4x3 matrix. If I decided not to use one I would have to be very certain that any alternate was "at least as effective as the guiodance in this CoP".
Bob Shillabeer  
#9 Posted : 13 July 2011 17:22:25(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Why all the fuss about the risk assessment matrix? It is a tool to measure how much risk is involved in a specific operation, a snapshot of what the assessor thinks the level of risk is that's all. You must devise a system to control the risk any operation creates that is where the impoprtance of measuring something. You are only playing lip service to the risk assesment process if you pass on every bit of the risk assessment to the user anyway. Make sure the controls are properly identified and implemented and any specific method of operation are adhered to as well as ensuring they are correctly understood and you will reduce the danger from any operation.
decimomal  
#10 Posted : 14 July 2011 10:19:34(UTC)
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decimomal

colinreeves wrote:
As above, the Approved CoP for my industry recommends using a matrix, albeit an odd 4x3 matrix. If I decided not to use one I would have to be very certain that any alternate was "at least as effective as the guiodance in this CoP".
I would be intersted in looking at the CoP you refer to Colin. Decimo
MB1  
#11 Posted : 14 July 2011 11:33:38(UTC)
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MB1

They do look pretty when completed...mind you are they are use compared to the time to complete them?
colinreeves  
#12 Posted : 14 July 2011 13:25:21(UTC)
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colinreeves

decimomal wrote:
I would be intersted in looking at the CoP you refer to Colin. Decimo
'Tis large, about 9Mb http://www.dft.gov.uk/mca/coswp2010.pdf
decimomal  
#13 Posted : 14 July 2011 16:33:05(UTC)
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decimomal

Ta Colin. Very interesting.
rockybalboa  
#14 Posted : 14 July 2011 16:39:38(UTC)
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rockybalboa

I think that the matrix's are very subjective, Low Med High or 3 x 3 or even a 5 x 5 matrix is just as subjective. I think that its a requirement of the five steps to risk assessment document which the HSE produces in which a person must assess the risk and the 3 x3 or a 5 x 5 was a way to do that. Thats what I took from the document. Incidentally I was reviewing a FMEA document the other day for high velocity material being ejected and potentially striking someone. Still a very subjective document as its all possibilities based on limited data. Reminded me of the swiss cheese accident model and the old saying of three types of lie. Lies, damn lies, and statistics.
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