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carllanc  
#1 Posted : 14 July 2011 21:49:21(UTC)
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carllanc

I have a question which I have looked into for some time now, I have looked at various regs etc, however I am not 100% on any form of an answer. What is the stance on using a company laptop whilst working in a company vehicle, (a mobile work force), the time periods are various ranging from 5 minutes to approx 15 minutes to close work applications off on site, then travel to another work place and again use the laptop to close the relevant application off? This would be for a working day of 8-10 hours. I know what I'm asking is slightly vague but I didn't want to put chapter and verse on here, by doing so could put words into your mind. Thanks in advance for any guidance Carl.
Steve Sedgwick  
#2 Posted : 14 July 2011 22:06:52(UTC)
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Steve Sedgwick

Carl your question is a bit vague. I cannot see a significant HS risk with using the laptop in this situation so long as the car is parked. Steve
MaxPayne  
#3 Posted : 15 July 2011 07:47:51(UTC)
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MaxPayne

Sandan  
#4 Posted : 15 July 2011 09:06:31(UTC)
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Sandan

similarly to phone usage the car should be stopped with the engine off and the keys out of the ignition (if the police look...) As for using laptops whilst sat in the car you should always look at the regs to try and alleviate any potential problems. There are laptop holders etc that can help. The use of a seperate keyboard and mouse are basically out of the equation. Limiting usage time to about 15 mins sounds a good plan. Any longer usage than this I would suggest thinking about leaving a site later or arriving at a site earlier to get the work done at a table or proper surface.
firesafety101  
#5 Posted : 15 July 2011 09:51:05(UTC)
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firesafety101

As Nidan says it would be better to do the lap top work while on site if a table/chair can be provided. I am not aware of any regs against using in the car but as stated make sure keys not in ignition at the time of use. I have tried using a lap top in my vehicle but found it to be too cramped.
A Kurdziel  
#6 Posted : 15 July 2011 11:11:29(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

It depends on what you are doing. Of course the vehicle should be stationary and safely parked with the engine off. If the laptop is being used occasionally to check emails or entering some figures then there should not be an issue but the fact that is as we all know people end up using laptops as their main computer and we all see people working in service stations etc writing up reports etc. This moves the people into the realm of DSE ‘user’ under the regs. If an employee starts to use their laptop in their car to write up reports and other intensive computer work then I think that this makes in a computer workstation. I know that the regs mention “display equipment on board a means of transport’( Reg 1(4)(c) as not being subject to the regs, I think that this would be interpreted as means DSE equipment used to control a means of transport eg aircraft or ship’s control panel , not a car being used as an office. I have hear of employers who expect their staff to work in their vehicles (some telecoms companies) actually fitting out vehicles as mini-offices with fold away docking stations for laptops etc.
firesafety101  
#7 Posted : 15 July 2011 12:53:11(UTC)
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firesafety101

A certain well known gas provider has their workers using laptops in my house when they come to service/repair. They have a printer integral but they never ask our permission to plug in.
s-moody  
#8 Posted : 15 July 2011 12:57:56(UTC)
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s-moody

At my previous place of employment we had a mobile work force of engineers and we always suggested that if they need to use their laptops in the car they transferred to the passenger seat as this then gives them more space to work a least more comfortably than in drivers seat.
rockybalboa  
#9 Posted : 15 July 2011 15:17:07(UTC)
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rockybalboa

We only class a person as a significant user if they are using the laptop for about 40% plus of their weekly contracted hours. If they are using less than that we don't class them as a significant user and are outwith the scope of the DSE regs. We do still try and accommodate them as best we can though, welfare of s2 HASAWA '74.
cliveg  
#10 Posted : 15 July 2011 18:58:29(UTC)
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cliveg

Laptops can come under the Regs:- See Page 51 of the guidance - 'As with full-sized DSE, portables in prolonged use (and the workstations and working environments where they are used) are required to comply with the Schedule.' If used for just a few minutes, then it doesn't look as if there is a problem. However, when does usage become 'prolonged?'
Canopener  
#11 Posted : 15 July 2011 20:33:39(UTC)
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Canopener

Max, I'm not sure about others, but it would be helpful to me if you could elaborate on your reasoning for the post at #3 rather than simply proving a link to L26!!
gdd  
#12 Posted : 17 July 2011 19:23:19(UTC)
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gdd

Rockybalboa, please could you - or anybody - detail your reasoning (@ post #9) for classing a person as a significant user if they are using the laptop for about 40% plus of their weekly contracted hours. Many thanks
rockybalboa  
#13 Posted : 20 July 2011 15:20:03(UTC)
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rockybalboa

gdd wrote:
Rockybalboa, please could you - or anybody - detail your reasoning (@ post #9) for classing a person as a significant user if they are using the laptop for about 40% plus of their weekly contracted hours. Many thanks
Thats how we have interpreted the legislation witin our business. The regs say that you must be a significant user. we have chosen 40% of the hours as we feel that 40%+ is significant within our business. No real place which says 40 % of weekly hours, just what we have chosen to go with and we feel that should we be externally audited we could justify that that figure fits within our business well and is a reasonable allocation of time for users to be classed as significant users. I guess it depends on your business. fine detail DSE work maybe a lesser time would class someone as a significant user. Reasonably practicable and justifying your choice I believe.
IanF  
#14 Posted : 20 July 2011 15:28:51(UTC)
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IanF

Another factor, and I appreciate this was not the basis of the original question, is the threat of violence/robbery if someone is using a laptop in full display of passers-by.
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