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Fire retardent foam test. Anyone know of an independant lab?
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I have some misgivings over someones assertion that fire retardent expanding foam has been used as fire stopping in certain locations in a building I have recently fire risk assessed. How would I go about having a sample lab tested to put the matter beyond doubt?
Any help much appreciated.......Bleve.......Chris?
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Is it something like this - http://www.hilti.co.uk/h...ng=en&nodeId=-101905Just in case that uber long link doesn't work, go to www.hilti.co.uk and look for expanding fire seal. In the related documents section, they have all the fire test data. Of course, this does depend on the installer having a record of the foam used or at the very least, some empty packaging for you to glean the info from. There are plenty of test labs about but for a test you do need a fair sized sample, not just a scraping. Can be extremely expensive as well.
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Hi Smurf
You would need a test house for BS476 Part 20, preferably UKAS accredited.
Probably need the assembly rather than just the foam.
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Smurf, don't know if this will help but I know these people carry out fire rating tests. http://www.warringtoncertification.com/I'm sure if they can't help they may "know a man who can". I am not associated in any way shape or form with them.
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peter gotch wrote:Hi Smurf
You would need a test house for BS476 Part 20, preferably UKAS accredited.
Probably need the assembly rather than just the foam.
don't think the assembly is an option, I'll try and explain myself better. There is air-con ducting passing through a compartment wall. This has been made good (or not) around the edges with expanding foam. I don't believe the foam used is intumescant.
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Smurf does it have to be in tumescent? I don't think so.
Is it possible to find the supplier of the foam for information re the FR?
IMO as long as the fill material satisfies the same or higher standard of FR then is it OK.
I assume this is a result of a FRA? If so well spotted.
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ChrisBurns wrote:Smurf does it have to be in tumescent? I don't think so.
Is it possible to find the supplier of the foam for information re the FR?
IMO as long as the fill material satisfies the same or higher standard of FR then is it OK.
I assume this is a result of a FRA? If so well spotted. Hi Chris, sorry, no it doesn't, I meant fire rated. Just about to trawl through the O&M manuals to see if it's listed but I doubt it's in there and even if its been specified, I doubt it's whats been used. What I'd like to be able to do is send a chunk of it to someone who could test it and tell me whether or not it's fire rated.
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Smurf - what about the ductwork? Has it been fitted with a fire damper? Are we talking about a 30 minute compartment wall or a 2 hour fire resisting wall?
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I would also suggest Warrington.
Notwithstanding the fire resistance of the expanding foam, you need to determine the level of fire resistance required, depth and width of sealant, Is backing required and if so width and depth.
i.e.
Max width is typically 40 mm and min sealing depth 200 mm
or sealing depth 180 mm with 20 mm stone wool backing material (density of 100 Kg/m^3).
I would make the recommendation that properties of sealant must be supported by documentary evidence. In addition, where construction method is not declared, then depth and use of backing material must be determined by physical examination.
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Yes the ductwork is fitted wth dampers. The building was designed with 1hr fire rating. the wall it's penetrating is blockwork.
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