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A Kurdziel  
#1 Posted : 19 July 2011 10:30:25(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Anyone have any experience of CHAS -The Contractors Health and Safety Assessment Scheme? We are essentially a laboratory R’n’D type place but we have meeting rooms etc on our site and we rent them out to external organisations. We recently put in a bid with a local authority for them to hold conferences at our site. They got back to us with their tender document which made it clear that we were expected to have CHAS registration. I always assumed this was for contactors fitting out schools and old people’s homes etc. not for someone providing a meeting room and lunch. Has anyone had a similar experience? It is worth registering? Or is this just a scam so that their preferred (internal?) bidder gets the job?
bob youel  
#2 Posted : 19 July 2011 11:31:55(UTC)
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bob youel

CHAS applies to all areas now not just construction and its one of the best schemes; In my view, considering the service U are looking to provide, the local council are probably going out on a limb with regards to CHAS in this area as if they ask a provider such as U then they need to ask their local milkman to be CHAS'ed which I doubt that they do and I would be supprised to find an internal LA provider to be CHASed - Have a chat with the office who issued the tender docs to confirm the situation Having said that if they stick to their guns U should have no problem getting CHAS'ed if U have all the systems in place [if U do not have the systems this is an excellant opportunity to undertake a 'Gap' analysis and mover on from there] and because of your R'n'D status you need to talk to CHAS so as they can assess U properly
Grant1962  
#3 Posted : 19 July 2011 16:29:18(UTC)
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Grant1962

Hi, If it is a local council that you are providing for you may wish to apply to Constructionline as this is usually a requirement for them! There are so many different organisations and different client expect different regimes such as CHAS, Altius VA, Achilles, Safecontractor, EXOR etc etc most of which do not conduct a through check of the systems and only provide a paper audit, whereas some such as Achilles will conduct office and site visits. I loathe the time when the annual submissions come as each provider creates different hoops for you to jump through. The government cannot get all sectors together to agree a simplified option, they attempted with the PAS 91 and other initiatives such SSIP but all seem to fall through the wayside and clients then create their own PQQ's along with the above mentioned organisations.
boblewis  
#4 Posted : 19 July 2011 21:42:24(UTC)
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boblewis

CHAS was not and I think, John Murphy will correct, will not ever be used for persons leasing out rooms. It is intended to cover Contractors, Designers, CDMC and others connected to the construction sector. Whether it is good or not is not the issue, I personally believe it has weaknesses, but it shouldnt be used for your activity in room letting. You have a sloppy tender containing improper standard documents and you can either rent the room out to others and ignore the LA or ask them to reconsider. Bob
Ron Hunter  
#5 Posted : 20 July 2011 00:11:32(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Local Authorities are prevented by law from expressing such prescriptive stipulations in tender documents. Sadly, many in LA procurement circles seem to be unaware of this! Nice way to make some free cash at the taxpayer's expense: Bid, lose, sue!
jde  
#6 Posted : 20 July 2011 11:50:04(UTC)
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jde

Have to agree with Grant1962.It seems a bit odd that the council are looking for you to be CHAS registered for provision of a meeting room, however, as a supplier, most councils will expect a certain standard and they have chosen CHAS. As a R & D Lab, I expect you will have all the relevant policies /procedures in place and be able to get through the desktop inspection process. The whole system is a mess and being a cynic, I believe it is a money making exercise for the providers rather than an effective H&S tool
redken  
#7 Posted : 20 July 2011 13:01:35(UTC)
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redken

Looking at the logo on a vehicle this morning it struick me that a V for voluntary was missing, it would go between the A and the S, (CHAVS). I was surprised to see that the website was .gov.uk, I thought that was reserved for government sites!
A Kurdziel  
#8 Posted : 20 July 2011 13:34:38(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I agree with most of these postings. We are a government agency but we are expected to maximise the use of resources such as renting meeting rooms. We then find we are expected to jump through these pointless hoops. I have had look at the CHAS application process and it looks like a paper/desktop exercise. If they want paper work- we can provide them with paper work. Usually when they ask for something it’s along the lines of “Please supply us with any evidence of a written H&S system”. Then I have to decide which out of hundreds of pages H&S documents is relevant and sufficient for them. I strongly doubt that any one goes through all of this stuff with a fine tooth comb-perhaps they just weigh it!
McGrath900027  
#9 Posted : 20 July 2011 17:53:38(UTC)
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McGrath900027

In relation to the chas application which is very onerous, you should consider undertaking the SMAS assessment (safety management advisory service) as they are forum members of SSIP (Safety Systems In Procurement Forum) then the application process for a company with low risks is simple and straight forward, incidentally once approved it is easier to attain accreditation with the other bosies such as Chas, Safe Contractor, Constructionline, ewxor management etc.
boblewis  
#10 Posted : 20 July 2011 19:08:39(UTC)
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boblewis

Letting out rooms is regarded as a construction sector operation - I am losing the plot somewhere
John Murphy  
#11 Posted : 20 July 2011 20:46:18(UTC)
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John Murphy

CHAS is not intended for this kind of supplier. Refer the client to CHAS and we will make the same point to them. Ron Hunter's message in this string is spot on - John Murphy MBE CHAS Scheme Manager & SSIP past chair
David Thomas  
#12 Posted : 20 July 2011 21:35:16(UTC)
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David Thomas

I always use CHAS as a good reference point when looking at tenders. It covers not just Construction but also Waste, Cleansing, Horticulture and Grounds Maintenance activities - ideal for LA's. I have also come accross a county council wanting CHAS Membership and Education Experience when tendering for On Street Parking Civil Enforcement .... shall let readers come to their own opinion on this.
Ron Hunter  
#13 Posted : 21 July 2011 00:05:08(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Indeed Thomas, CHAS provides a very good yardstick. In public procurement, we should be fully supportive of the various commercial PQQ schemes, SSIP and beyond. The simple way is to ask at tender stage. Only when out prospective contractor is not already assessed need we apply our own in-house PQQ assessment. Always ensuring a level playing field of course! And the bottom line- apply it where it makes sense to do so. In the case of this post, a visit would suffice -the onus being on the supplier of the service to demostrate competence (in a proper context).
Ron Hunter  
#14 Posted : 21 July 2011 00:05:57(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

oops. "out" should read "our". Damn these varifocals.
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