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martin1		#1 Posted : 25 July 2011 09:50:52(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Some quick advice please all... Bench mounted abrasive wheel used in a garage location. What PPE - Goggles or visor? Would have thought this would have been a pretty standard problem but can't find answer via HSE or internet.
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MB1		#2 Posted : 25 July 2011 10:37:33(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Martin I suspect with regret you would not get a definative answer withought knowing the whole part of a quick question. The ultimate answer would lie within your risk assessment carried out for people to work safely with this machine, it has been known to advise in wearing both type of ppe together!
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Stephens25059		#3 Posted : 25 July 2011 10:44:21(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		Basically either, although complete close fitting goggles tend to be the norm. HSG 17 states - 159. To comply with the Personal Protective Equipment Regulations 1992 and other regulations, for example the Control of Substances Hazardous to Health Regulations and the Control of Noise at Work Regulations 2005, appropriate protection must be worn. People who use abrasive wheels on any type of machine are exposed to a number of risks: (a) Injury to the eyes from flying abrasive and metallic particles, So no particular type is proscribed, anything provided needs to meet BS EN 166.
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Turkhan Mamedzadeh		#4 Posted : 25 July 2011 10:54:51(UTC)
Rank: New forum user		A task based risk assessment should be considered. If not only eyes are exposed during work (but the face as well) then a visor would be preferable. Extra protection would not harm (as long as it doesn't over complicate the work).
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martin1		#5 Posted : 25 July 2011 13:32:11(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Simple bench mounted grinder - what do other users wear on their sites - I'm sure many of you have these pieces of kit. I have done a risk assessment ( durghhhh! ) but still need help hence the question.
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Hally		#6 Posted : 25 July 2011 14:22:01(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Stephens25059 wrote: Basically either, although complete close fitting goggles tend to be the norm. HSG 17 states - 159. To comply with the Personal Protective Equipment Regulations 1992 and other regulations, for example the Control of Substances Hazardous to Health Regulations and the Control of Noise at Work Regulations 2005, appropriate protection must be worn. People who use abrasive wheels on any type of machine are exposed to a number of risks: (a) Injury to the eyes from flying abrasive and metallic particles, So no particular type is proscribed, anything provided needs to meet BS EN 166. Although it must meet the above BS EN, remember that if you purely had 'F' grade it wouldn't stop any projectile that may come off a grinder. Can't remember off the top of my head the m/s that the 'F' grade goes to but we use portable grinders and with the speed they can run at we've got down the visor route which isn't particularly expensive but is the to the higher 'B' grade so should deflect anything away from eyes / face. Remember that even if you can find glasses or goggles to reach 'B' there would still be no protection to the face. Not that it can't hit you elsewhere mind.
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Hally		#7 Posted : 25 July 2011 14:25:28(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Martin1 wrote: Simple bench mounted grinder - what do other users wear on their sites - I'm sure many of you have these pieces of kit. I have done a risk assessment ( durghhhh! ) but still need help hence the question. Martin, further to the reply above regarding the grades, we have quite a few welders on site that grind as well and it has caused us problems with them going from weld mask to other visor and the fact that they start ignoring to put the visor on. We're awaiting new weld masks which will incorporate a seperate 'B' grade visor for grinding so they just need to lift the weld part up when grinding (or so the supplier is leading us to believe - due to get a trial one next week)
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JHF		#8 Posted : 01 August 2011 11:50:01(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		Hi Martin - use of B4 goggles is recommended for use of abrasive wheels (bench grinder / angle grinder).
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Cuttell35960		#9 Posted : 01 August 2011 12:48:55(UTC)
Rank: New forum user		Morning Goggles as a minmum, a visor is good practice as long as it doesn't impede or interfere with the process. You may want to consider the use of gloves/gauntlets as the sparks come quite keen and can cause you to twitch and jam the piece into the wheel. Inspect the wheel in the first instance for signs of cracking, uneven wear which can be trimmed with the correct tool (apologies, the name escapes me) and is it secure Finally the tool anvil distance sould also be set Sorry for the chapter and verse Allan
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CliveLowery		#10 Posted : 01 August 2011 13:49:50(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		Martin, Check with the manufacturers of the equipment. I did a two day ABI course the other week with Makita down in Milton Keynes and they were quite clear must be to EN166 B (enclosed), in my book thats goggles. Course was very good, hospitality was excellent and well worth it. Thoroughly recommend it. Regards Clive
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johnmurray		#11 Posted : 01 August 2011 14:32:05(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Not forgetting the RPE for grinding...... Welding headshields to cover both RPE and protection from high-speed fragments are available, at a price.
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bob thompson		#12 Posted : 01 August 2011 14:35:16(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		if choosing goggles remember they dont work well if the user has alot of facial hair.
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martin1		#13 Posted : 01 August 2011 15:39:45(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Thanks all. Why B grade and not A grade goggles?
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Clairel		#14 Posted : 01 August 2011 15:47:37(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		bob thompson wrote: if choosing goggles remember they dont work well if the user has alot of facial hair. Are you having a laugh Bob or confusing goggles with facemasks???????
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Clairel		#15 Posted : 01 August 2011 15:49:28(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Martin1 wrote: Simple bench mounted grinder - what do other users wear on their sites - I'm sure many of you have these pieces of kit. I have done a risk assessment ( durghhhh! ) but still need help hence the question. Just about every place I go to where they have a bench grinder they use goggles and I've never felt it necessary to ask for anything more.
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Ron Hunter		#16 Posted : 02 August 2011 12:36:10(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		No mention of guards here? HSG17 discusses use of a moveable guard of toughened or reinforced glass "or other suitable material". Whilst the guidance about guards is as clear as the guidance about PPE, shouldn't we be looking at providing guarding first and foremost?
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firesafety101		#17 Posted : 02 August 2011 17:27:30(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		bob thompson wrote: if choosing goggles remember they dont work well if the user has alot of facial hair. and I never liked wearing goggles over my specs?
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Hally		#18 Posted : 03 August 2011 09:42:35(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Yes guarding is an issue that shouldn't be overlooked (and most of us did). Not only the machine itself but the local environment if others are working close by in case the disc breaks. Goggles to B are fine and protect the eyes, we've gone down the route of visor with chin guards for people who grind anyway to give a little more protection for not a lot of cost. And Chris i agree goggles are a pain but not as much as putting safety specs over glasses, i keep daily disposable contacts in my work laptop bag in case i'm wearing safety specs for more than a short while at a time.
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