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TD  
#1 Posted : 30 July 2011 11:10:37(UTC)
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TD

Hello.
Is there anything written down on the minimum distance that you must keep flammable chemicals from a source of ignition. I have chemicals on site which are flammable (up to 205 litre drums)and when we use them they are placed / stored approx 3 meters from the closest power point (which is actually closed off and no longer in use ) but the manager has asked if we can move these chemicals closer as we are re-adjusting the area.
I have been told 2 meters , 3 meters etc but I would like to put it in writting into my SSOW, Risk assessments.I would then get a guidance line paint marked on the floor and wall. I have about 2 drums (205 Litres) at the work staion at any time. My most flammable would be white spirit,
Any help would be most grateful.

Gaz
S Roberts  
#2 Posted : 30 July 2011 13:23:06(UTC)
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S Roberts

I suggest you need to comply with the DSEAR Regulations (Dangerous Substances and Explosive Atmospheres Regulations)

You need to make an assessment of the risks.

As part of that you need to undertake 'hazardous area classification' exercise.

The best guidance document to help you with this is the Energy Institute guide to HAC, known as IP Pt 15.

This document has numerous 'standard' examples/situations described and the recommended flammable zones and the resulting classification - Zone 0, 1 or 2.

Sealed drum storage is likely to be Zone 2.

But it does depend on a number of factors, probably the most important being the flammable characteristics of the flammable liquids being stored and the amount of ventilation (and its reliability).

You will also need to think about other equipment in the area, such as the type of electrical fittings (may need to be ATEX rated) and other sources of ignition e.g. mechanical processes, hot surfaces etc.

From memory, 3m is usually the quoted figure for standard drum storage.

You findings/conclusion as to storage distance will depend on what you find, as you study IP Pt 15
TD  
#3 Posted : 31 July 2011 14:34:11(UTC)
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TD

Thanks for the info S. Roberts
Very Much appreciated

Gaz
jay  
#4 Posted : 01 August 2011 09:37:27(UTC)
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jay

Also refer to HSE Guidance, "Storage of flammable liquids in containers"--although this guidance is pre-DSEAR, it has usefull information. It may not be essential to "zone" the area, depending upon the actual situation.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/hsg51.pdf


Thre is also HSE Guidance on "Storage of flammable liquids in process areas, workrooms, laboratories and similar working areas"

http://www.hse.gov.uk/fi.../storageflammliquids.htm


Ron Hunter  
#5 Posted : 01 August 2011 13:47:54(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Alternatively, get a competent electrician to confirm that the unused powerpoint you mention is isolated from the supply and your problems are all resolved?
S Roberts  
#6 Posted : 01 August 2011 22:27:50(UTC)
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S Roberts

Regardless of the electrical power point being 'live' or 'dead' - it would still be adviseable to 'zone' the drum storage area.

IP Pt 15, is one of the main recognised methods.

There may be other sources of ignition - hot surfaces, vehicles/engines etc.

If yu don't know the size of the hazardous area, you won't know where to place your ATEX warnings signs.

Admittedly - its not rocket science if the area is quite small etc.
moonpool  
#7 Posted : 03 August 2011 12:41:18(UTC)
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moonpool

Hello Gaz,

I thought it might be worth letting you know thatt he HSG71 (Chemical Warehousing) has some good tips and information on storing substances, it also includes a segregation chart, risk assessment, signage etc.

You may find it useful!

Regards
Kev
TD  
#8 Posted : 09 August 2011 20:16:20(UTC)
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TD

Thanks for all the advice

I have retrieved / reviewed all the documents mentioned and they have been very helpfull.
MikeN62  
#9 Posted : 10 August 2011 12:00:50(UTC)
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MikeN62

Gaz

White spirit has a flash point of 38C and not easy to set it on fire at ambient temperatures. (Throwing a lit match into a bucket of white spirit will just extinguish it until temperatures are >30C). Unless an electrical socket was short circuiting or in regular use near open white spirit it is a less likely ignition source. You will need to assess the storage conditions and likely maximum temperatures, the likelihood of leaks, spillages open containers etc. and how close these are to any ignition sources including FLT's etc.
Do you require 410l of flammable material at your work station - is this a days usage. If not go to smaller containers and keep the drums in an external bunded area that should be well away from any ignition source, certainly not near electrical supplies.

I hope this helps.

Mike
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