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riskybizz		#1 Posted : 26 July 2011 14:42:10(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		Afternoon Guys and Gals, Does anyone have a ppt presentation for the delivery of the SSSTS course i could have? Steve...............................
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boblewis		#2 Posted : 27 July 2011 10:58:04(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		This is commercial documentation and really should not be passed around as you anticipate. Only approved trainers and providers are able to provide the course. You may of course be asking for a presentation re the benefits of using SSSTS etc and that is another matter. Bob
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riskybizz		#3 Posted : 29 July 2011 08:29:08(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		Thanks for the telling off Bob, I am in the process of becoming an accredited trainer with C-Skills but was informed the trainer had to produce or acquire the necessary PPT. Steve
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boblewis		#4 Posted : 29 July 2011 11:05:05(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		This means purchasing I am afraid but you need to be an approved trainer for it before you can be approved to provide. This means doing the SMSTS yourself first and then being approved. It is not that easy. You could talk to one of my former colleagues, I am not active now in this area, I will let you have some details if you pm me, but he may charge or come to some recipro0cal arrangement. Bob
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ptaylor14		#5 Posted : 29 July 2011 11:53:15(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		riskybizz wrote: Afternoon Guys and Gals, Does anyone have a ppt presentation for the delivery of the SSSTS course i could have? Steve............................... May have if , I knew what you`re talking about. Just look at the acronyms used in this thread and we wonder why we dont get the message across!!!!
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Zimmy		#6 Posted : 29 July 2011 12:03:17(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		I was just about to say the same thing as ptaylor 14 What on earth are you guys on about? Shall I do the same when responding to electrical questions? How are we to learn from you guys if you talk in code? Or do you make it up as you go to make it all sound more important than it is? I hope you're not in teaching :-)
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Zimmy		#7 Posted : 29 July 2011 12:13:58(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Site Supervisor Safety Training ... Got it...But a shame that you couldn't say that to start with and then use the acronym. Only a few more to work through and then I'm up to speed :-)
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boblewis		#8 Posted : 29 July 2011 18:07:47(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		SMSTS Site managers safety training scheme Easy when you are in the habit of providing them then of course they are simply supervisors and site managers courses!!!!:-) I take the point though Bob
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James Martin		#9 Posted : 29 July 2011 23:03:49(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		From experience of visiting this site I know there are a number of people scanning through the posts just waiting to pounce but to jump on someone for not explaining what SSSTS stands for on a H&S forum makes me laugh! If I ever see anything mentioned on this forum that I do not understand I simply Google it. Dear me.
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Zimmy		#10 Posted : 01 August 2011 12:10:14(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Sorry James, I do not wait here scanning for rubish, I scan here for good informaion and advice. I just thought it was protocol and good manners to first state the full title and then put the abbreviation in brackets. It puts someone new to H&S a little off the subject when faced with a screen full of letters (and ambiguous to the newbe to say the least). We are not all born experts here :-) But have a good laugh. I hope it makes you feed Bloody Dam Good (BDG) and Huirts Your Belly (HYB).
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Zimmy		#11 Posted : 01 August 2011 12:21:35(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Of course, first I need to learn to spell! Feel, Hurts etc
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SW		#12 Posted : 01 August 2011 16:06:27(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		And "Rubbish" Zimmy!! Only Kidding I was just asked about SSSTS - how similar is this to the Supervisor Red CSCS cards - are they equivalent? Thanks SW
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SteveL		#13 Posted : 01 August 2011 16:18:11(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		SW A red CSCS card is a trainee card, A gold card is a supervisors card, and no they are not equivalent. Even if you you go NVQ 3 for your gold card, your Principle Contractor (PC) will require supervision to have achieved a minimum of Site Supervisor Safety Training Scheme (SSSTS), if a site manager then and hold a black card then Site managers safety training scheme (SMSTS). may be required by PC. But CSCS have not managed to Aline themselves with the CITB as yet, so may not be around much longer.
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SW		#14 Posted : 01 August 2011 16:32:50(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Thank You Stevel for your prompt reply. My mistake I thought there was a red card that included "qualified" supervisors. A company I know has won a contract and the main contractor has now said that they must have the SSSTS card so it will hold work up for a couple of works until they get it. Thanks again Regards SW
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SteveL		#15 Posted : 01 August 2011 16:45:25(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		SW Speak to the PC and explain that you have your supervision booked on SSSTS course, but they hold the required CSCS supervisors cards, and you may find that the PC will allow works to start. Obviously you have to provide required information, course dates, course providers, attendees names etc. Once the course is completed it will take six weeks to obtain the certificates. So this could be a costly wait if PC not helpful. if however you have any ops who have completed NEBOSH cert then they automatically have a greater level of achievement, and can supervise the site.
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SW		#16 Posted : 01 August 2011 17:30:52(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Thanks again for your prompt and helpful comments Stevel We can try that route Regards SW
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boblewis		#17 Posted : 01 August 2011 21:43:59(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		As a trainer for the citb courses I would point out that the CSCS Board have chosen to align themselves away from the SSSTS and SMSTS - at one time the SMSTS was regarded as suitable evidence. The way the sector is working I would be very surprised if a PC accepted NEBOSH construction cert even as a SMSTS substitute. Bob
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SW		#18 Posted : 02 August 2011 08:22:20(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Thanks for the reply Bob Regards SW
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David Bannister		#19 Posted : 02 August 2011 09:47:15(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		This and other threads reinforce my long-held belief that construction safety is not an area I want to be involved in - too many acronyms, too many differing opinions, too many "authorities", too many schemes and not enough who really know what they're doing.
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boblewis		#20 Posted : 02 August 2011 19:13:47(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Stuff4blokes Not too many authorities just lots of people who know they are right:-) You are right about acronyms though. Construction is actually a very vibrant and active sector in some ways as every aspect of commercial life can and will rear its head in some form for a practitioner working in the industry. It is also a place where new ideas can be tried out when somebody has the knowledge and strength to drive things forward. I actually believe that it is also one of the best training grounds for practitioners - deal with construction directors and the rest are pussy cats Bob
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dp73		#21 Posted : 02 August 2011 19:35:21(UTC)
Rank: New forum user		I am a director of my own company and work in constuction. Some companies ask for the supervisor gold cards some for the site supervisor safety training scheme which is a bit of a pain in the arse to be honest, just wish they'd pick one of them then we know where we stand. I hold my Nebosh and as stevel said they are more than happy with
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riskybizz		#22 Posted : 03 August 2011 08:57:30(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		Good Morning all..... Firstly....is IOSH not an acronym? The UKCG (uk contractor group) ahem, have just gone through a consultation period, the result being a possible change to the type of training required. Imho ( need i explain?) CITB ( construction industry training board) have had their way for too long, and it's a positive move to recognize other training qualifications. Rant over, Steve
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boblewis		#23 Posted : 03 August 2011 11:31:33(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Riskybizz Will believe it when I see it - this has been around for some time and I am afraid that the HSE support for CSCS has been very counter productive to new ways of training. When one system is so clearly supported then all others are squashed - I am afraid this is happening with the contractor assessment schemes as well. The HSE are supporting such as CHAS etc and this does and will to a greater extent in the future deter organisations from doing their own or accepting any other system of competence checking. Bob
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