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Didn't want to highjack the other thread ;-)
Scenario: Fast paced production line, Seasonal / Agency Worker is pregnant. Workers will be standing for 9 hours a day. We are currently investigating stool / high chairs so they can alternate between standing and sitting. Manual Handling is not an issue – Less than 1kg, no chemicals, not night working or other environmental issues.
Questions (Please can we stick to the issue of pregnant workers and not drift into general ergonomics): 1 – Is this suitable control (High Chair) – both options will end up in the same position for a period of time? 2 – Giving extra breaks will cause production issues to the line – Each person has a specific task, impacting on the next person, so this will be difficult 3 – If we decide we can not reduce the risk further and that no alternate work can be found, is it the Agency Company or Production Line companies responsibility.
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teh_boy wrote:http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/hsg122.pdf
same link for two posts - this gives advice on standing for long periods whilst pregnant...
Thanks, already got that, my issue is 'Alternate between sitting and standing', providing a high chair suitable, both will present issues. We also feel the chair will not work, but are going to do trials tomorrow
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rob35 wrote:teh_boy wrote:http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/hsg122.pdf
same link for two posts - this gives advice on standing for long periods whilst pregnant...
Thanks, already got that, my issue is 'Alternate between sitting and standing', providing a high chair suitable, both will present issues. We also feel the chair will not work, but are going to do trials tomorrow No worries -it gets complicated, hence I didn't answer any of your questions, I hope you sort something out. I guess she is employed by the agency, and they should find her suitable alternative work or suspend her on full pay? You say giving breaks will be difficult - this implies it can be done! As for chair - I would seek advice from a supplier with skills in ergonomics. Make sure she is aware of her rights and has a copy of the HSE guidance for her. I'm not really helping - time to go home :)
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Keep her employed but allocate other work more suitable for pregnancy.
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teh_boy is right its complicated.
From your post you are thinking along the same lines I would (but no grantee that's correct obviously). I won't drift off to ergonomics in general but if this worker is now sitting does that mean additional stretching which could be detrimental in the early stages of the pregnancy? Its a while since I had to do an assessment like this and as I said on the other post my child is now a teenager but I seem to remember that being sedentary is not recommended. The worker needs to move about to aid blood flow etc. This sounds as if it could have a knock on affect with the production line. I Suspect Chris has the correct answer find her another job - but if that should be you or the agency I think is one for the employment lawyers out there not us poor H&S people.
Once again good luck with this one.
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She's an agency worker. End her period of work. Let her employer solve the problem.
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Read your contract with the agency and if appropriate as John Murray has stated end her period of work the problem is then her employers, which is the agency. Regards MG
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Thanks for all the help, to answer a few of the questions above:
Extra breaks are possible, but the line would reduce output by 10% each time outside the normal break times.
I feel the chair will increase the risk of stretching (As stated above)
Our contract with the agency implies we need to make the adjustments to the working environment and the powers are concerned about discriminating. My first suggestion was to pass this back to the agency to find alternative work...... We are looking into this (John M - You had my suggestion word for word...are you hacking my phone ;-))
Allocating her to another role is not possible on the production line
Steve S - I am about to have a look at your link, I was searching for this last night but it was getting late and I took Teh-boy's advice and went home Brian H, at least your thinking the same way....is that good??? Not sure ;-)
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we live in an unfare and cruel world but we alone will not change it so I have to side with the views of John M and co as its an employers issues unless the origional T&C's between the agency and its cleint says differently noting that [in my personal view] the 'agency' type employment system is one of the great employment scams that we have; as we treat people in many cases with less respect that we do a cat or dog
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JohnM has the best solution for your company don't let the lady work on the line.
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Not over reaching when pregnant is a bit of an old wives tale (supposedly the cord would wrap round the ba bies neck but that is nonsense). If overreaching was a problem why would activiiies like swimming be recommended and how on earth would any woman function on a daily basis with out over reaching at certain points?
You shouldn't make ANYONE overreach for 9 hours period though.
The trouble with pregancy is that each preganancy is different and each stage of the pregnancy is different. Some pregnant women will happily stand all day (think of hairdressers), yet others get water retention or back problems and need to rest regularly. You can't just guess what will work, you have to talk to the woman and see what happens.
Why second guess problems. Do the initial assessment and then if and when the pregnant woman says that there is a problem tackle the issue then. If ultimately she cannot do the work and you cannot give her extra breaks then she will have to find other work. That's not discrimination in my book.
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I find it's quite interesting that (apparently) only 1 woman has responded to this thread.
Are men the 2nd best persons to offer best advice to this question?
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Has anyone actually spoken to the woman to see if she is ok to stand? Please speak to her first before sending her back to the agency, surely she realises she will be working on a production line and has no problems with that otherwise she wouldn't be there.
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stuff4blokes wrote:I find it's quite interesting that (apparently) only 1 woman has responded to this thread.
Are men the 2nd best persons to offer best advice to this question? I think you'll find that us women are in the minority on this forum......and just cause we're women doesn't mean we have either experience or interest in pregnancy. Me, I've had two babies but I'm in no way clucky and can't abide the whole fuss about a woman being pregnant. We're pretty robust really. Yes some get problems (I had my fair share of issues) and account needs to be taken of that but otherwise most women just want to get on with their lives as normal until as late as possible. What men (and womnen who haven't had kids) don't seem to understand is that you can't predict how someone will be during their pregnancy and that is the reason for on going assessment and why I said don't try and predict problems that haven't happened, wait until they occur.
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Thanks all, it is great help as it is reconfirming our course of action and keep it under constant review.
Clariel - You shouldn't make ANYONE overreach for 9 hours period though. Agreed - normal production does not make over overreaching an issue, but introducing a high chair does. We also have job rotation along the line, but this still envolves standing.
Thanks all, interesting to see different points of view. We also have our own female employee (Supervisors) in this area so need to ensure we get it right, although it is easier to change their work as they are not working on the production line all the time.
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Clairel
A valued contribution as always - thanks for updating me on my old wives tail - did not even know that that was the reason, thought it was simply another "manual handling" issue. As too including the lady in the process - absolutely a must. Only reason I did not mention that is I had already said that in the other thread. Had assumed people would be reading both. But there again you now what assume does!
Brian
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Have you considered using leaning stools as opposed to chairs?
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