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John J  
#1 Posted : 09 August 2011 10:44:45(UTC)
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John J

Can anyone recommend a company that can provide a computer based DSE eyesight test. This will be used for pre-screening DSE users to determine if they need to see an optician. John
jay  
#2 Posted : 09 August 2011 10:50:44(UTC)
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jay

The HSE guidance is clear that should a DSE USER request an eye-test, a full eye test must be offered, not a screening test:- Q4. I am entitled to an eye test as I work on DSE - how do I get one? And does my employer have to pay for DSE spectacles? Answer: You are entitled to ask your employer to provide an eye test if you are an employee who habitually uses DSE as a significant part of your normal work. This is a full eye and eyesight test by an optometrist (or a doctor). Your employer should arrange for your test and should tell you how to apply. Your employer will only have to pay for spectacles if the test shows you need special spectacles (e.g. ones prescribed for the distance the screen is viewed at). If your ordinary prescription is suitable for your DSE work the employer does not have to pay for your spectacles. http://www.hse.gov.uk/msd/dse/faqs.htm
Canopener  
#3 Posted : 09 August 2011 11:52:53(UTC)
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Canopener

As Jay says, although you CAN do vision screening, IF the user requests an eye test then they are entitled to have one, at the employers expense It is therefore pretty questionable whether vision screening is worth the effort, as it may be little more than an additional cost, on top of the test. Corporate high street deals are such good value that screening is hardly worth the time, effort and expense.
John J  
#4 Posted : 09 August 2011 13:39:38(UTC)
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John J

I'm fully aware of the regs and all DSE users are offered an eyesight test. If they request a test they get one however the majority don't want a full test. The cost effectiveness will be calculated once we have a price for a system. With several hundred DSE users it may pay for itself quite quickly.
Canopener  
#5 Posted : 09 August 2011 16:09:27(UTC)
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Canopener

I'll consider my knuckles well and truly rapped then! If you find such a system and you also find that it represents a saving; good luck. I personally don't know of such a system.
Bob Shillabeer  
#6 Posted : 09 August 2011 17:26:42(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Must agree with Phil on this one. I haven't heard of anyone getting compensation because of lack of eye tests so find it hard to see how having a test programme will save money even in the very long term. There is a legal duty to provide eye tests for use of DSE equipment but there are some very economically useful companies who undertake such tests and you simply need to find one and get a quote or two, but don't simply go for the cheapest as they can provide some costly results.
John J  
#7 Posted : 09 August 2011 19:35:15(UTC)
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John J

Phil, apologies, my reply came across a bit strong. We are looking at changing from our current on site service (it's extremely costly) to an external provider. Problem is that people don't want to travel and have indicated that they want the screening service as a quick indication of any issues. We are also likely to end up giving time off to attend and based on location we are likely to be looking at a couple of hours per person, hence the cost issues Again sorry if i came across a bit strong John
Canopener  
#8 Posted : 09 August 2011 22:28:47(UTC)
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Canopener

John No problems. I have tried all sorts of ideas in the DSE eye tests department over nearly 20 years. Local optician - ok when we had few DSE users in the 'early' days but subsequently a relatively expensive option, especially when users were becoming more and more numerous. Voucher scheme that allowed voucher to be used at various opticians participating in the scheme. Worked ok for a good while but increasingly various opticians were interpreting the scheme in a different way to how it was supposed to be interpreted and I had to keep going back to the account holder to get the problems sorted out. Eventually bailed out of the scheme because of the additional hassle. Reasonable (ish) cost and reasonable admin until the problems kept occurring. Domiciliary scheme - where an optician came to us (sounds similar to your scheme). Seemed like a god idea at the time and the optician was fab but it was HEAVY on the administration, and we had 'no shows' that increased the cost and hassle. Screening first then eye test if requested - again, it seemed like a good idea at the time but I soon realised that the screening became an additional cost as staff almost invariably wanted a full eye test. High street optician voucher scheme. Have now been using this for some years. Excellent VFM. £17 for test AND single vision VDU bins if needed. Very low admin cost. Very little hassle factor. Staff are generally very happy with the scheme, with VERY few complaints. I can't recall the last one to be honest. My ramblings for what they're worth.
LARRYL  
#9 Posted : 10 August 2011 10:52:06(UTC)
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LARRYL

Apologies for hijacking the original question but along similar lines, if somebody already has glasses and they are used both in and outside of work for reading etc, do you know if the employer is still obliged to pay for regular eye tests or is it down to the employee to pay for.
Canopener  
#10 Posted : 10 August 2011 13:36:40(UTC)
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Canopener

Larry, the short answer is yes they do. The requirement for providing an eye test for a DSE user is not dependant on whether or not they already wear glasses or not.
teh_boy  
#11 Posted : 10 August 2011 14:16:06(UTC)
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teh_boy

@John Agree employer always has to pay for eye test for DSE 'users' - and agree with Phil that the voucher scheme offers the best value (Have also used this system for prescription safety glasses to good effect) Another option I have used is to use safety eye wear manufactures, they can offer services similar to what you request. Note at the time I needed safety eye wear. But with out dropping brands both Sperian and Bolle offered good options to manage the system. Larry It gets more confusing when asking who should then pay for the glasses! However in terms of paying for the glasses... if they are required for long distance and are not linked to work then the employee should pay (Depending on policy and other factors). The employer is also only expected to pay for a basic pair of glasses if required for DSE not - No Armani for me :(
John J  
#12 Posted : 10 August 2011 16:27:33(UTC)
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John J

Larry, this might be a daft question but you are talking about a DSE user? Phil/teh-boy Thanks for the replies. I'm looking at an option with a manufacturer which allows users to select their local optician rather than be limited to a high street chain.
LARRYL  
#13 Posted : 11 August 2011 11:10:19(UTC)
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LARRYL

John J - Yes I am
pastapickles  
#14 Posted : 11 August 2011 14:48:25(UTC)
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pastapickles

For a normal glasses wearer who is a DSE user from above they are entitled to ask the company to pay for their eye test, but not for glasses as they need them all the time not just for DSE. If the company provides this via a health care benefit would this cover this requirement to pay for the eye test? Even if a voucher scheme is in operation for non standard glasses wearers and for purchasing safety glasses?
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