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mootoppers  
#1 Posted : 09 August 2011 10:39:13(UTC)
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mootoppers

Hi

I want to check this with you knowledgeable lot (sure I know this but just to be on the safe side) The following situation has brought up a interesting question for me.

I work closely with our personnel dept and we have a recent joiner who did not disclose a condition on their medical form, but we only found out about it after they had started their employment. Following a fitness risk assessment with the person concerned, I conclude that we cannot guarantee that we as employer won't exacerbate this condition within the new role which they have taken up - they essentially cannot do the job safely with this existing condition. From an employment point of view we are within the 6 month timeframe and there are other issues which will be taken into account in the instance, however, from a purely H&S point of view, can you decide to NOT employ someone in the first place if you cannot guarantee as employer that the role being asked of them would not adversely affect their H&S? I think this is correct as you are essentially protecting their H&S in the only way possible at this first level. Obviously, once in a permanent role with an employer and a condition develops we would try all means to change their role to avoid further damage. have I remembered this correctly?
bob youel  
#2 Posted : 09 August 2011 10:47:18(UTC)
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bob youel

Irrespective of what many say even the Equality Act runs secondary to HSWA74 etc in many situations so in fact a person can be stopped from being offered a role. However I am not going into detail here but all your facts, procedures etc. need to be correct and 'fit for purpose' so I advise that a real specialist is consulted

If the person has already been recruited U may have to leave with the fact until the claim comes in

Best of luck
bob youel  
#3 Posted : 09 August 2011 10:52:03(UTC)
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bob youel

Woops: 'leave with the fact'??? I ment 'live with the fact'!

descarte8  
#4 Posted : 09 August 2011 10:58:11(UTC)
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descarte8

I believe (possibly wrongly) that recent changes to employment law (equality act 2010) means you can no longer conduct pre-employment medicals and screen prospective workers prior to interview.
Employers cannot ask health questions of applicants until the applicant has been able to successfully pass an interview, or some other assessment, to show that they meet some of the non-health requirements of the job.

Page 13 has some more specific details: http://www.tuc.org.uk/equality/tuc-18199-f0.pdf
ptaylor14  
#5 Posted : 09 August 2011 11:37:46(UTC)
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ptaylor14

descarte8 wrote:
I believe (possibly wrongly) that recent changes to employment law (equality act 2010) means you can no longer conduct pre-employment medicals and screen prospective workers prior to interview.
Employers cannot ask health questions of applicants until the applicant has been able to successfully pass an interview, or some other assessment, to show that they meet some of the non-health requirements of the job.

Page 13 has some more specific details: http://www.tuc.org.uk/equality/tuc-18199-f0.pdf


This is correct, I suspect there is more to this thread than is being said!!
Ron Hunter  
#6 Posted : 09 August 2011 13:25:58(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

All other things being equal (pun intended) is this failure to declare not a breach of contract leaving the employer with option to dismiss?
descarte8  
#7 Posted : 09 August 2011 15:13:00(UTC)
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descarte8

Potentially Ron,

However I would think in light of the new legislation that the employer should be careful. Firstly I would assess the impact of the health effect on the individuals ability to do the work, if not possible, what adjustments could be made to accomodate this, if none, what other work could the individual do, if none, dismiss with documented medical evidence.

2 interesting bits of case law for you, not 100% relevant but close and well worth a read:

Baker v Kaye (1997)
Mr Baker, applying for a job as International Sales Director, attended for pre-employment assessment by Dr Kaye. During the assessment, Dr Kaye elicited a history of significant alcohol consumption, supported subsequently by abnormal liver enzymes. Mr Baker had already resigned from his existing post, and when Dr Kaye advised the new employer that he did not consider Mr Baker fit for employment, Mr Baker sued for loss of the new post. The court in this case held that the OH physician owed a duty of care to the prospective employee, as well as to the employer, but as Dr Kaye had taken reasonable care in making the assessment, he was found not to be negligent

Kapfunde v Abbey National plc (1998) However, the Court of Appeal, in Kapfunde v Abbey National plc (1998), disagreed with the decision in the case above. Mrs Kapfunde, who suffered from sickle cell disease, applied for a job at the Abbey National. Dr Daniel, advising Abbey National, reported that the applicant’s medical history and previous absence record indicated that she was likely to have an above average sickness record. Mrs Kapfunde was not considered for the job, and subsequently sued Abbey National, arguing that Dr Daniel had been negligent. The Court, in judging Dr Daniel not negligent (because she had exercised reasonable skill and care in reaching her decision), added that neither did she owe a duty of care to Mrs Kapfunde
Ron Hunter  
#8 Posted : 09 August 2011 15:48:55(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I appreciate we have to tread more warily these days Descarte8, but in this instance we would seem to be discussing a failure by the employee to declare something which would significantly affect his ability to do the job and which would potentially place him at further risk.
Irrespective of the new Equality provisions, no employer is obliged to end up with employees who cannot do the job!
SteveL  
#9 Posted : 09 August 2011 15:55:54(UTC)
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SteveL

mootoppers

It is lawful to discriminate; if the nature of the disability might or may affect the person’s ability to carry out their tasks, and this will include possible associated risks to safety and health.

The other time it is legal to discriminate if it is to protect young workers from high risk activities

So it appears that you have remembered correctly
descarte8  
#10 Posted : 09 August 2011 16:00:20(UTC)
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descarte8

Completely agree Ron, just saying even though the employee was in the wrong you could still (possibly but not definately) end up at a tribunal if you just sacked him.

Also agree Stevel there are 5 grounds for fair dismissal:
1. Relating to capability (“skill, aptitude, health, or any other physical or mental quality”) or qualifications (“any degree, diploma, or other academic, technical, or professional qualification”)
2. Relating to conduct (behaviour at, or sometimes outside, the workplace)
3. Redundancy
4. If employee cannot continue to work without breach of statutory duty (such as after loss of driving licence)
5. Some other substantial reason (SOSR) sufficient to justify dismissal

The burden of proof is said to be neutral, although the employer is required to show that the dismissal was not unfair. An employment tribunal will judge the circumstances of the case—including elements such as the size, resources, consistency of behaviour, and procedural correctness of the employer—in deciding reasonableness.

Interesting stuff

Des
KieranD  
#11 Posted : 10 August 2011 11:35:39(UTC)
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It appears that the option of 'frustration of contract' may apply, provided and to the extent that the employer can demonstrate that they've taken reasonable actions to adapt the tasks, equipment, furniture, handtools and documentation to the needs of the employee.

Depending on the disability involved, it may be worth commissioning an ergonomist who specialises in safety and disability to provide a risk assessment, which can both support any decisions about adapting and serve as evidence in the event of a claim
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