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Evening all,
I am presently studying at Leeds Met, BSc Safety Health and Environmental Management (excellent course) I was hoping for your assistance with my Honours project.
I am seeking assistance with obtaining detailed statistics and data regarding any incidents, near misses etc with relationship to Buried services in general and the root causes of these incidents.
I would appreciate major construction group / HSE participation / assistance.
In line with Ethical requirements all information provided shall be used only with your consent
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Utility companies are probably best placed to provide this type of data. I used to work for one and know for a fact that they kept service strike rates and causal data.
The reasons for service strikes can be quite complex and varied. Not sure what your knowledge of construction/utilities is? However, a few starters as follows:
Unidentified service (for whatever reason)
Lack of a CAT scan
Area insufficiently identified with markings
No service drawings
Inaccurate service drawings
Multi-services in close proximity
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Thanks for the response, I am aware of the casations and I am seeking the utility companies to assist. thanks for your thoughts
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One route cause is the fact that nobody [really] checks the quality of work and there are a number of owners e.g. The local authority, the highways people etc and nobody seems to want to pool resources as they all seem to work in silos and have their own empires and it can be hard to find out just who is in charge of what
The various insurance companies may be able to help as its they who handle claims [and there are lots and lots of them]
I would be surprised if the UU companies were to bothered as they make a fortune on claims
A massive amount of strikes are to do with telecoms and similar areas
The time & resources allowed by clients is such that teams may have to rush
Land moves so cables move
The quality of training is getting worse
The system of multi tasking is reducing quality on the ground
Etc
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Going off at a slight tangent, but hopefully of use to Summersgill25492 a bit of advice on a recent incident would be appreciated…
Civils crew of three (with experienced foreman) excavating near a known HV cable, all marked up & identified. Procedure is to hand dig near it to locate, which they had done. They had to dig a trench alongside it to fit some gabion baskets. Permit said to hand dig, they for whatever reason (ease/laziness – they said because ground was ‘crumbling’) used a machine bucket – nicked cable. They got out of the way, a short time later there was a big flash and bang (I’m told that electric companies are set up to send automatic surges down lines when they detect a fault – sounds dangerous to me!). No one injured, all reported, lots of disciplinary action etc. etc, etc.
Same crew a few days later had to excavate to locate same cable in three other locations close to each other. Ground scanned & cable located, obviously they’re not stupid & they don’t use a machine again. Cable first found at one point 800mm down, in a duct with cable tape & sand above, found next point 800mm down in a duct with cable tape and sand above. At third point (midway between these two) operator put a fork (insulated – using it through very compacted earth/brick)) through it at 350mm depth, which made him jump a bit. There was no duct, no marker tape & no sand.
My question is – what else should our crew have done to make sure they didn’t hit it? The repair crew say they never dig by hand – only by machine, yet all training & HSE guidance says to hand dig. Any advice/guidance would be gratefully received.
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Summersgill25492 wrote:Evening all,
I am presently studying at Leeds Met, BSc Safety Health and Environmental Management (excellent course) I was hoping for your assistance with my Honours project.
I am seeking assistance with obtaining detailed statistics and data regarding any incidents, near misses etc with relationship to Buried services in general and the root causes of these incidents.
I would appreciate major construction group / HSE participation / assistance.
In line with Ethical requirements all information provided shall be used only with your consent
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Hi Summersgill,
I am involved in this industry and most of the utilities are very guarded about sharing cable strike data. It may be worth contacting the National Joint Utilities Group (NJUG) http://www.njug.org.uk/
for some advice. I believe that they have a number of founder members across the utlities industry that may be willing to contribute to your research.
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Palmer20061 wrote:
My question is – what else should our crew have done to make sure they didn’t hit it? The repair crew say they never dig by hand – only by machine, yet all training & HSE guidance says to hand dig. Any advice/guidance would be gratefully received.
I don't think you can always avoid cable strikes. One of our site teams found a fibre-optic cable laid within the blacktop on a road-side pavement once. You can't hand-dig blacktop in a way that won't damage services embedded within it, in my opinion. (And speaking personally - embarrassingly I once holed the gas supply to my own house, not knowing it was in an unmarked, unprotected plastic pipe around 150mm below the surface of my lawn - I got it with the tines of a garden fork when digging over a flower bed.)
Repair crews presumably machine dig because by the time they get involved the location of the service is well known, and probably isolated / made safe.
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U also have to note that the different bodies e.g. Gas, electricity, water, telecoms, broad band etc. work in silos so they would have info about their own areas only and would not be interested if 'another' service was hit as long as theirs was OK
The big insurance companies are holders of info but if they have connected data bases [apart from what to charge] that could appraise situations, strike types etc. I would be surprised
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Hi Summersgill,
I recommend you contact The Highways Team Maintenance Association and WWT Working Well Together who have just produced an excellent DVD on this subject. Web site http://safetydvd.htma.co.uk. I have already ordered a copy to be used as part of our training.
Good Luck in your research
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