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Smithy1983  
#1 Posted : 16 August 2011 11:51:34(UTC)
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Smithy1983

Hi all, need some advice, a housing company is undertaking cyclical/external decorations to 40 individual properties nationally, the tender has gone to one contractor who will be undertaking the work over a 4 month period, should i notify this project? my concerns are that the properties are spread over 14 local authorities, there will be no site base and only 1, 2 maximum people working on each site at any one time. each property will be completed in 15 days.....im stuck and need advice (im not a CDM-C)
Ron Hunter  
#2 Posted : 16 August 2011 12:32:46(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Not strictly Notifiable I suggest. I'd focus more on competency and safe method, including possible presence of asbestos containing materials (esp. AIB) likely to be encountered in this external decoration.
PaulM  
#3 Posted : 16 August 2011 12:40:00(UTC)
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PaulM

Yes it is. Had this before and asked HSE in Leeds. The Principal Construction Inspector's view was that the project duration is the full duration of the project not the duration of the works on each property, in your case 4 months rather than the 15 days. Yes its an absolute pain to notify but we did it by one F10 hard copy listing the properties and LA area on the form. The site location was given as the HQ of the client and the description of works included information regarding the roll out for want of a better term and advised that details of programme are available by contacting yourself. Hope that helps!
peter gotch  
#4 Posted : 16 August 2011 13:18:43(UTC)
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peter gotch

Smithy If you were to treat this as 40 projects, then you need to communicate 40 lots of Pre Construction Information, and the contractor might produce 40 method statements. If you treat it as 1 project, then you communicate a single PCI with annexes with any location specific variations in "significant risks" (as defined in CDM ACOP para 133). In turn the principal contractor produces a single Construction Phase Plan with generic method statements and location specific risk information. In practice what you and the contractor need to document as regards risks and controls to comply with the Management Regs and CDM will be identical whether or not you deem the project to be notifiable - nowhere does CDM say that the PCI and CPP shall be so titled. Whilst the CDM definition of "project" leaves room for either approach, Paul's response is accurate in so far as HSE will not be impressed if you try and split into multiple projects.
Canopener  
#5 Posted : 16 August 2011 13:23:19(UTC)
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Canopener

It's been a while since I've done much CDM but in the past the advice I have had from HSE construction was that a project such as you have described would be notifiable. Happy to let others say otherwise though.
Ron Hunter  
#6 Posted : 16 August 2011 13:38:16(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I've no axe to grind on this but Notification seems entirely meaningless, particularly when such a spurious Site location is entered. This kind of thing (IMHO) invites red-tape challenges. What purpose or value does Notification (and Notification status) serve in such instance? I don't think CDM intended this.
PaulM  
#7 Posted : 16 August 2011 15:08:07(UTC)
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PaulM

Spot on Peter, I should have elaborated a bit, but that is exactly what we did and agreed the protocols/rules at a single meeting at the start of the project. A single PCI and notification. A single CPP with a shortened site specific addendum. Makes even more sense with a single contractor. It did in fact streamline the whole process and saved a tree or two into the bargain.
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