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Yesterday Classic FM radio mentioned briefly that Gustav Mahler's music had been found to be particularly effective in deterring gangs of teenagers from lurking in a pedestrian subway in Dartford, Kent. After the local council introduced a system for playing the music in the tunnel the amount of graffiti and other forms of anti-social behaviour declined considerably. Some more detail can be seen at http://www.kentonline.co..._new_weapon_against.aspx and http://www.telegraph.co....ackle-young-vandals.html
During recent years there have been similar reports of classical music being used to deter teenagers/young people from congregating at railway stations, shopping malls and other locations where they have indulged in anti-social behaviour. An alternative method involves a device which emits a high pitched mosquito-like noise which is audible to most persons under 25 can be heard. While searching for information about this device under “mosquito”, I found that its makers now also sell a music version which emits royalty free classical music. Perhaps it’s this version which has proved effective in the subway at Dartford. Can any forum users confirm cases of noise or music devices having been proving effective in their areas?
It’s likely that some people will say that using noise or classical music devices to disperse anti-social young people is an infringement of their human rights. Nonsense! If such young people were to behave in a responsible manner and have consideration for the rights of other people, there wouldn’t be any need for the devices. Also, do the devices cause any actual harm to such young people? Almost certainly none at all, so why make an issue out of it? By contrast, there might be a case regarding the loud 'pop' music which seems to be obligatory in some shops. Depending on their musical tastes, shoppers may like or loath such music and be subject to a limited duration. However, the employees in such shops will be subject to considerable exposure each and every working day.
In the wider context of OS&H it seems that the use of deterrent sound devices can be beneficial. For example, if they reduce the amount of graffiti, it presumably helps finance and manpower-stretched councils concentrate on necessary services by reducing the amount of graffiti which needs removing, no doubt with appropriate solvents. The same probably applies to removing used chewing gum from pavements. Also, the devices may help to reduce the competing and excessive demands on police officers by “encouraging” anti-social young people to congregate elsewhere in locations where they pose fewer problems or none. Also, does anyone know if police forces and/or local authorities use sound as a way of controlling/dispersing the hordes of drunken young people who frequent UK town and city centres each weekend?
p.s. Though posted on a Friday this topic is not intended as one of this forum's Friday frivolities - though some humour in responses is always welcome.
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Graham
Tyne and Wear Passenger Transport used classic music to disperse groups of young people from some of the outlying stations. Apparently Mozart was the weapon of choice according to their spokesman, Tom Yeoman:
‘It’s pretty uncool to be seen hanging around somewhere when Mozart is playing.’
London Underground has used a similar approach, as well as the Sow Hill bus station in Beverley, East Yorkshire and a number of Co-op stores, where the following was reported:
‘The shops, in Worchester, Bristol and North Wales have loudspeakers fitted outside the premises and staff fire off a round of Rachmaninov or Rimsky-Korsakov, which rapidly appears to have the desired effect.’
According to the BBC the following pieces were most effective:
Rachmaninov Symphony No2
Shostakovich Piano concerto No 2
Williams: Theme from Schindler’s List
Beethoven Pastoral Symphony
Saint-Saens: The Swan Source: Tyne and Wear Passenger Transport.
According to the Independent (11 June 2006), the Local Government Association circulated a memo to Local Authorities. Quoting from the article:
20 songs suggested by the Local Government Association to deter teens.
1. Release Me - Engelbert Humperdinck
2. Unchained Melody - Robson and Jerome
3. (I've had) The Time of My Life - Bill Medley
4. Achy Breaky Heart - Billy Ray Cyrus
5. I Will Always Love You - Whitney Houston
6. Happy Birthday Sweet Sixteen - Neil Sedaka
7. (Everything I Do) I Do It for You - Bryan Adams
8. Bridge Over Troubled Water - Gene Pitney
9. How Am I Supposed to Live Without You - Michael Bolton
10. (They Long to Be) Close to You - The Carpenters
11. There's No one Quite Like Grandma - St Winifred's School Choir
12. I'm Gonna Be (500 Miles) - The Proclaimers
13. Diamond Lights - Glenn and Chris
14. The Power of Love - Jennifer Rush
15. Hello - Lionel Richie
16. Things Can Only Get Better - D:Ream (below)
17. Uptown Girl - Billy Joel
18. Nothing's Gonna Change My Love For You - Glenn Medeiros
19. Mistletoe and Wine - Cliff Richard
20. I've Got A Crush On You - Des O'Connor
So classical music does no appear to have the monopoly on this anti social deterrent!! It might be worthwhile trying to track down the LGA memo.
Cheers.
Nigel
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NigelB wrote:Tyne and Wear Passenger Transport used classic music to disperse groups of young people from some of the outlying stations. Apparently Mozart was the weapon of choice according to their spokesman, Tom Yeoman:
Perhaps he could also condider Gilbert and Sullivan's Yeoman of the Guard!!
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Hello,
As Nigel says, plenty of evidence that this approach works.
There were some less than convincing 'Human Rights' arguements being put forward about Mosquito because it directly targets the under 25s, perhaps that is why they now have a musical version.
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Perhaps a focus on the influence that music has on inspiring people to commit crime may be more meaningful ?
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That really is the top 20 from hell - I will record it onto a cdr later for playing to my kids when we have to take long journeys.
I thought the Americans were working on "brown noise" or was this just a rumour? A subsonic drone that makes you relieve yourself on the spot. A quick blast of that could work wonders.
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Just use BBC Radio 1....That'd make me move somewhere else.
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When I was younger we used to sit outside of Woolworths and gob at people ( it was the punk years ). The only thing guaranteed to move us on was the sound of sirens.
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Many thanks for the responses so far. It's good to know from the earlier ones that classical and other music is being used to good effect against anti-social behaviour. However, I'm a bit puzzled by JohnMurray's ambiguous comment about 'music inspiring people to commit crime', so hope he can explain a bit more.
For a slight deviation on a positive musical theme, there are reports of various studies which suggest that hearing music by Mozart can help improve memory, thinking and/or concentration, e.g. for surgeons and other staff in operating theatres. Though this is popularly known as the "Mozart Effect", some reports suggest that music by some other composers such as Rossini have similar benefits. Apparently such benefits stem from the sound patterns of such music rather than their tunes.
On a highly whimsical note, there's a slender possibility that the subway at Dartford might attract hordes of Mahler fans - If so, appropriate counter measures would need to be considered, such as interspersing the Mahler music with that of other composers such as Stockhausen!
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Interesting topic Graham. Good point also about shop employees being subjected to loud/ unwelcome music. I fear for their sanity come Christmas time when they have to listen to the same thirty or so seasonal songs on a continuous loop for hours on end!!
I took Johns comment about the music influencing crime to be a reference to the comments made following the recent havoc in Tottenham etc... regarding the influence of hiphop music on gang culture amongst British youths (apologies John if I am second guessing and way off the mark).
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Andrew Ramsey wrote:Interesting topic Graham. Good point also about shop employees being subjected to loud/ unwelcome music. I fear for their sanity come Christmas time when they have to listen to the same thirty or so seasonal songs on a continuous loop for hours on end!!.
It wasn't just Christmas.....It was all year round! 30 different tracks would have been a God-send! It was just 12 tracks played on continueous loop!.... They only changed the tape once a quarter! I was there 3 years!
I love many different types of music but if I ever hear one of the tracks that used to be played in the shop I have to move away until I can't hear it anymore!
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Following on from Andrew R's comments, it seems that "Christmas time" in various shops can begin as early as late October. Consequently, the staff in such shops could well be excused for having developed an intense loathing of the tunes and songs inflicted on them long before what most of us think of as being Christmas in late December.
Also, commiserations to you Safety Smurf, regarding your experiences. Out of curiosity, did the shop use a new tape every quarter or, worst of all, just have two tapes and simply alternate them? Also, if there isn't an expression already for the effect such tapes had on you and others, perhaps it's high time someone coined one. Anyone got any suggestions? Try including words like 'repeat' or 'ingrained' followed by 'phobia', 'aversion' or 'trauma' and ending with 'syndrome'!
Another thought, Safety Smurf - For goodness sake, don't let on about the identity of your hated tracks otherwise some people might try to exploit such knowledge. Perhaps it's too late - they might already know from observing instances of your aversion response in action and noting the tunes which were being played!
Yet another thought - though the above comments are humorous in tone, the topic involved could well be a significant OS&H issue for people who work in shops or other premises and are exposed to repeated music. If so, it's not my intention to belittle the issue and those affected.
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I have found Brahms and List very intoxicating...but I can never remember the words.
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Martin1 wrote:
I thought the Americans were working on "brown noise" or was this just a rumour? A subsonic drone that makes you relieve yourself on the spot. A quick blast of that could work wonders.
Judging by most of the subways I see, I think it's already been tried.
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@ Graham re #12
The word you're looking for is torture. I beleive the intention was to enhance the shopping experience but the effect it had on staff would easily have been enough to make somone 'go postal'.
If memory serves, it was a different tape every 3 months although it felt like longer. You might typically hear the whole tape through 6 or more times a day, 5 days a week for 3 months.
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I was wondering whether the possibility of music altering peoples behaviour works both ways.....
Instead of Mahler, Brahms (et-al) stopping anti-social actions, may it instead cause such actions ?
My response to (for instance) Dizzy Rascal is a state of almost homicidal apoplexy.
I know others have that [almost] same response because of a past employment, where the democratic way of workshop music was applied.....radio 2 for two hours, then radio 1 for two hours....at the institution of radio 1 normally sane and reasonable people would descend into knuckle-dragging, bulging-eyed activity reminiscent of feeding time at an insane apes enclosure. Several fights ensued before the entire thing was dumped (NOT a joke!)
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