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Kay  
#1 Posted : 03 September 2011 15:01:57(UTC)
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Kay

Hello, Not sure if I've put this on the right forum! I'm trying to get my head around whether a Gap Analysis of an OH&S management system is supposed to be purely a case of whether the intent of the policies, procedures etc seems to meet the requirements of the standard, or whether it should analyse how well the procedures and policies etc are actually implemented? Perhaps my problem is that I'm not sure whether a 'Management System' is simply a collection of written procedures etc, or if there is (or should be) more to it than that? What on earth makes a good & effective management system? I loathe the 'write down & specify everything to the nth degree' bottom covering type of system (the more you write the less people will read?!) but I can't imagine how it's possible to have a short, simple & suitable one that still ensures compliance & improvement thereof. I do have a tendency to over analyse stuff so maybe that's what I'm doing here! I'm not good with subjective wordy stuff because it's open to interpretation - much prefer numbers and hard facts :-) Hope someone can put me out of my wordy misery... Thanks
firestar967  
#2 Posted : 03 September 2011 20:32:12(UTC)
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firestar967

I’m probably not the best person to comment on this as I did get a referral on my first try (but the second one did the job) but seeing as no one else has posted I may set the ball rolling. You are doing a gap analysis on the company’s policy, and how it should be in regards to the health and safety model that you are using to assess it. Does the policy statement match the model that you are using if not what are the differences, the gaps, in the policy statement? As for practice, say the policy states that regular consultation with safety representatives will take place but this is not apparent then identify this within the gap analysis. This is a policy statement if it is not being done then that should be identified. Hope this helps
pete48  
#3 Posted : 03 September 2011 20:34:06(UTC)
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pete48

Kay, I guess you know that the objective of using gap analysis is to figure out what is needed to get what currently exists to the point where it becomes what the company desires? The really important bit is that by using this process, managers and analysts can identify the various obstacles to progress within a business or a project and correct any deficiencies with remedial action. The end goal is to keep the project moving and on schedule using only the minimum amount of resources. So, to answer your question; you would need to know not only what is currently required but also whether that is being provided before you can start any analysis. If the documentation is unwieldy that may be an obstacle to the success of the plan? A simplistic set of headings might be: Project title and purpose. (So you may have something like. Identify and implement a suitable and sufficient OHS management system for XYZ Ltd in order to ....?) • What processes /procedures are required to achieve and then maintain the desired state. • Are they all in place? • Are they understood and used? • What changes are required? • List of prioritised actions. • Identify resources required to cover who will do what by when? hth P48
RayRapp  
#4 Posted : 03 September 2011 21:01:09(UTC)
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RayRapp

Kay It's a good question and in part I suspect you have already answered it. Also good comments from Pete and firestar. As I see the problem you need to know what you are measuring against? For instance, the company H&S Policy, legal standards, 18001, or 'all of the above'. The second question is are you measuring for adherence or the effectiveness of the h&s management system? The former is arguably easier to check and more objective, whereas the latter requires a more intrusive analysis and is clearly more subjective. With say a gap analysis of 18001 the process may identify non-compliance with certain clauses or sub-clauses, but often does not identify the effectiveness of that particular clause. Accident and incident investigation is a typical example. In how good is the reporting process, are are incidents properly investigated by a competent person, appropriate remedial measures identified, implemented in good time and so on.
Kay  
#5 Posted : 04 September 2011 11:23:27(UTC)
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Kay

Hi All I just typed a reply only to lose it through automatic timeout - Aaaargh! Don't you hate it when that happens.
Kay  
#6 Posted : 04 September 2011 11:44:55(UTC)
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Kay

What I was going to say was along the lines of thank you all for the posts, very useful indeed, and helps reassure me that I'm on the right track. But it's a steep track! My problem with the GA is that as you all can probably guess, the safety management system (part of an Integrated system) isn't so much a 'system' as a long bunch of un-read procedures that regurgitate legal & ISO/OHSAS requirements, and it's totally impractical (indeed, possibly even impossible) to implement. There is no ’process approach’ or at least not what I would call one. Yup, it ticks most of the boxes from a client's/audit's PoV so an adherence GA wouldn't pick up many gaps, but from an effectiveness PoV I personally feel it's pretty useless. NB: Unfortunately whether I like it or not our clients have a lot of sway on it, as being a service providing company they insist on reading, reviewing and picking holes in it on a regular basis - even down to the wording of a sentence here and there. And all clients are different and want different things adding or removing. But how does one explain this 'feeling' in a GA? I can't pinpoint anything specific, I don't have any hard evidence, and the company functions OK, but I just find it really frustrating - I'm sure there are useful, well drawn-up, succinct and effective management systems out there (would love to experience one) but I don't think ours is one of them. I find it a burden. Hence the question about what an IMS actually should be... Perhaps I'm unfairly biased and not seeing the wood for the trees?
chris42  
#7 Posted : 04 September 2011 11:45:57(UTC)
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chris42

I think RayRapp's answer is correct and I would say the gap analysis is the "all of the above option". The effectiveness is trickier, but I would suggest this is part of your management review, not the gap analysis. The gap analysis is basically what you still need to do to meet the external requirements of 18001, legislation and your own policies. (note you is the Royal you – the Company). I'm guessing you have already set up KPI's to measure yourself against, which will be one indicator for effectiveness. So accident stats, lost time, internal audits completed and closed etc.
chris42  
#8 Posted : 04 September 2011 12:14:22(UTC)
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chris42

You just beat me with your post almost as bad as the timeout feature. I don’t think (IMHO) the procedures should be stand-alone they should interact. For example a general purchasing procedure as part of ISO9001, should at some point refer to a control procedure for purchase and evaluation of chemicals, machinery etc with regard to safety ( and environment). So for chemicals calls for COSHH assessments to be undertaken ( not how to do an assessment – Just one is required by someone trained to do so). In this way most procedures will link with one another. You are right these procedures will not be read very often, but if produced correctly should not need to be. The way I tacked it was not from the requirements of OHSAS18001, but from what was currently done. I recorded the way things were carried out currently an reviewed how well that matched the requirements in the standard. So the procedure I wrote was what they already did, I then only had to discuss any tweaks that needed to be made to get it to link into the whole system. Low impact on the business, so not much whining. To help me (well others really), I produced a large flow chart of how each procedure interacted to form the whole (which was what the company did). I hope this made some sense and was of some help. I think the clue is in the title management system not management set of unrelated procedures and documents. I sympathise with your predicament with Clients, I came from a similar type of company to the one you are in and understand this completely. My only suggestion is fight as much as possible ( it is YOUR Management system ), but I know this is a problem and ultimately the customer can generally have what they want.
Kay  
#9 Posted : 04 September 2011 12:28:00(UTC)
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Kay

Hi Chris, what you did sounds exactly like what I would like to do - but am restricted bylack of time/resources, having to work to this 'Global' 'system' and client pressure. I wanted to use this Gap analysis to highlight the existing problems but I'm finding it pretty overwhelming! Thanks
chris42  
#10 Posted : 04 September 2011 12:41:14(UTC)
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chris42

I worked lots of unpaid weekend and evenings -which I would not recommend. No loyalty on their part as they made me redundant. I did list out each of the clauses of 18001 on a spreadsheet which may be of help to you, but I'm not sure I have a copy now. If I can find it I will PM you and you can decide if you want to give me your email address for me to forward. In a way it was easy for me as I was responsible for all 3 accreditation's, plus some add on bits. If you deal with Link up for network rail for instance they are a real pain, and feel that you don't work for any other clients.
Kay  
#11 Posted : 04 September 2011 12:59:56(UTC)
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Kay

I sure do deal with Link-Up - what a barrel of laughs that is :-)
RayRapp  
#12 Posted : 05 September 2011 08:24:29(UTC)
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RayRapp

Kay I have a very useful 18001 checklist which will assist you in your quest - PM if you like.
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