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Nic Forsdike (Fozzie  
#1 Posted : 07 September 2011 20:05:47(UTC)
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Nic Forsdike (Fozzie)

I have been ask to temporally become the personal licence holder for our building (A Dance House) Does anyone know much about this?
chas  
#2 Posted : 08 September 2011 08:41:42(UTC)
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chas

Do you mean in terms of providing/selling alcohol, if so your Local Authority website should tell you all you need to know.
boblewis  
#3 Posted : 08 September 2011 08:53:14(UTC)
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boblewis

In common with all other licence holders you become responsible for a number of issues including

Licensed premises risk assessments

Public order arising from activities

Control of persons in premises

Litter arising from your premises

Underage sales of alcohol and tobacco

Many other things also!!!

Hopefully much of this is already in place and you simply enforce but I think some training woulld be helpful. Can I suggest you contact Rakesh Maharaj through the Grange as I know he has done some work in this area - if he has not time I am sure he will know somebody

Bob
boblewis  
#4 Posted : 08 September 2011 08:54:57(UTC)
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boblewis

Almost forgot - importantly I do not actually think licensing legislation allows for "Temporarily" being a licence holder.
PIKEMAN  
#5 Posted : 08 September 2011 14:09:56(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

What is a "dance house"?
MB1  
#6 Posted : 08 September 2011 14:32:06(UTC)
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MB1

Fozzie,

I'm intrigued!
Is this a works social club kind of thing?
Canopener  
#7 Posted : 08 September 2011 15:10:20(UTC)
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Canopener

I suggest that you contact your local Council licensing department, I am sure they will be able to help you
Graham Bullough  
#8 Posted : 08 September 2011 17:25:42(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Fozzie - If you plan to hold the licence in a temporal capacity presumably you won't be serving spirits!

Heed the advice from previous responders and contact your local authority licensing people.

Also your topic reminds me of being persuaded to be a temporary (24 hour) alcohol licence holder for a large charitable Scottish dance event in the mid-1980s so that wine could be sold with the meal during the interval. It involved a fee, filling in lots of paperwork and 2 policemen visiting to interview me at home as to my fitness or otherwise to hold the licence. Though I was granted the licence, it was hardly worth getting because not many people wanted to buy wine. Remembering the movements for some Scottish dances can be hard enough when sober, let alone after a couple or more glasses of wine! After that, the organising committee abandoned the notion of selling wine at its charity dances. It was far simpler to advise those coming to bring their own booze if they wished - and, somewhat suprisingly for a public event (though with admission by ticket), no licence whatsoever was needed for this arrangement.
Nic Forsdike (Fozzie  
#9 Posted : 10 September 2011 12:03:54(UTC)
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Nic Forsdike (Fozzie)


Thanks for the information so far

In Response to many question

A DanceHouse - an interesting one to describe, we have a performance space, many studios for rehearsals, teaching ETC. basically promoting dance as a regally funded organisation of the arts council.

I have been ask to temporary hold this postion while as my manager is leaving and while we recruit a replacement.

My main fear is that I have no direct control over the areas that sell alcohol, and am usure of the potential legal prosecutions I could be subject to if it all goes wrong. I have read the council documents but keep the legal side very basic and uninformative
messyshaw  
#10 Posted : 10 September 2011 12:56:21(UTC)
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messyshaw

It is quite important to understand what licence you are referring to.

I can't imagine it would be an alcohol license if you have no control of the bar area(!), so perhaps it's an entertainment license?
Graham Bullough  
#11 Posted : 13 September 2011 18:42:11(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Fozzie - If the manager of the premises hasn't left yet or remains contactable, he/she might be able to explain which licence or licences are involved and what the implications are for any named licence holders.

Mind you, if it's an entertainment licence, it might be complex. During 2003, with several other members of a music society I tried to find out about such a licence for the society's occasional live concerts for paying visitors in a voluntary body's local meeting hall. Like others in similar groups we found the available information so convoluted and confusing that we abandoned our quest. Just in case any licence enforcer happens to read this posting, I won't be drawn on nature of the society or its location - in fact it might not even exist now! OS&H law and guidance seemed easy compared with the requirements of the 2003 Licensing Act and (alleged) guidance about them!

However, the experience I've described is history. Hopefully the 2003 Act requirements have been amended and/or clearer guidance has been produced since 2003. Also, the permanent premises involved in your case is likely to be known to the licensing authority (part of your local council) and probably already holds the requisite licence/s - in which case there may well be related documents available somewhere. If these can't be found and/or advice isn't available from the outgoing manager, it's worth asking asking the local licencing people for help. If you remain uncertain about the implications of being a personal licence holder or think you are being asked to take on too much, especially with regard to aspects over which you have little or no control, for goodness sake don't agree to accept the role.

On a wider scale, similar advice surely applies to other forum users regarding other roles and positions.
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