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Hi,
Quick query, an employee hurt their hip after tripping. Received first aid treatment and remained at work working the next 4 days after the accident without any issues apart from some bruising. He then takes days off the following week, stating it is due to the fall. No worries about that, but does this now become RIDDOR? From ACOP it states 3 consecutive days, and since he worked the days after the accident i'm slightly unsure if this is regarded as a RIDDOR reportable incident? Any advice guys?
Cheers
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Hi. I'd report it.
The consecutive days in the regs don't mention they have to be directly after the accident, just due to the accident.
Hope this helps.
Andy
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From experience I would be very cautious. How come this person worked for a few days then went sick? It could be that they fancy a few days off...........and hey maybe put in a compensation claim.
I worked in a culture that "actively managed" accidents like this. Visit the person in their home; express concern, but give the subtle (and I mean subtle) impression that you will support them 100% for a genuine problem, but that there are no free rides................
Back to the RIDDOR thing - if you have access to a company occ health service or doc get them to assess if the person can do their normal duties. If occ health says no they can't then yes report under RIDDOR.
Remember, it is not if someone is off work sick, claiming it was due to an accident. The criterion is are they unable to do their normal duties for four consecutive days, which may not be the same thing.
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Personally, I would report it as they may claim the injury became worse and was aggravated over those days he worked.
I would ask the question as part of the statement as well and depending on the individual (IP), I would ask any colleague how he coped over those few days that he did work.
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If the IP was unable to carry out their full range of duties for more than three consecutive days irrespective if it were directly after the incident or not i would report it.
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Pikeman wrote: Remember, it is not if someone is off work sick, claiming it was due to an accident. The criterion is are they unable to do their normal duties for four consecutive days, which may not be the same thing.
Quote:over-3-day injuries – where an employee or self-employed person is away from work ***or*** unable to perform their normal work duties for more than 3 consecutive days
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Safetyman
The same thing happened to myself a number of weeks ago, where the injured operative went back to work next day after a accident but the following week went to the doctor and got a 3 week sick note. Which classed that reportable under RIDDOR 95. Nobody likes reporting a RIDDOR but in this case it had to be done.
Allan
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I have come across many situations where the scenario posed is genuine, e.g. they have tried to "work off" an injury, but have not succeeded, & then go off.
Of course you will also get the ones that try it on, & I too worked in an industry where every lost time accident resulted in a home visit, or when they were back at work if they had already returned.
This resulted in the lowest accident stats throughout the country & some interesting visits, e.g. little lad opened the door to me, invited me in to the lounge where our guy (off with a bad back) was lifting a heavy wooden pole curtain over his head into wall brackets - amazing, he was back in work the following day!
Sorry, I digressed...unless you know anything else to the contrary, I would report it.
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Safetyman2010 wrote:Hi,
Quick query, an employee hurt their hip after tripping. Received first aid treatment and remained at work working the next 4 days after the accident without any issues apart from some bruising. He then takes days off the following week, stating it is due to the fall. No worries about that, but does this now become RIDDOR? From ACOP it states 3 consecutive days, and since he worked the days after the accident i'm slightly unsure if this is regarded as a RIDDOR reportable incident? Any advice guys?
Cheers You don't say if the IP filled in an accident form and there was a witness(s) to the accident.It is up to the individual to prove they had an accident at work and not for the employer to take the IP's word for it. Hence the importance of the accident investigation. In some cases of claimed injuries reported some time after the event, say >4days, I always advised management not to accept, especially if not reported right away,(especially back injuries). If you are satisfied with your investigation, and it is an industrial accident then for RIDDDOR reporting, the 3 days will start as soon as they are absent from work. Remember, qualifying time includes weekends, or other time when they IP could have been available for work. Allan
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This is actually a very simple one to answer - but as RIDDOR is often misunderstood lets remind ourselves.
If the absence is as a result of the injury, then no matter when that absence takes place, it will be reportable. E.g. the rule on fatalities that result many months after and injury is sustained...
We have introduced a ruling where the IP hasn't reported the injury though... we used to discipline them for failing to report - however, this confirms that the injury took place. We now (following investigation) discipline for making a false report if they cannot prove that the injury took place at work and we cannot find any corroborating evidence e.g. a colleague corroborates. If it is proven, they are disciplined for not reporrting at the time - we have had to introduce this as we started getting far too may 'late reports' often suspiciously like football injuries etc or I suppose they could have been over active bedroom activity, but then who knows.
And yes, by absence i also mean incapable of carrying out their normal activities - which would be sciving then, so no difference ;)
How about, at a works funded party, an employee has too much to drink, goes home and his wife beats him up for coming home drunk - is this RIDDOR reportable??? i kid you not, the claim for industrial injury made interesting reading....
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