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vinod  
#1 Posted : 15 September 2011 08:22:52(UTC)
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vinod

The electrical isolation, can we consider an ESD (emergency stop device/ push button) as a safe point of isolation?. It's noticed during a site audit a piece of electrical equipment was isolated with its ESD button at the control panel & there was no locking device, but its tagged. Can we accept?
Nic Forsdike (Fozzie  
#2 Posted : 15 September 2011 08:37:59(UTC)
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Nic Forsdike (Fozzie)

This would depend on the type of equipment it was isolating and the specification of the ESD, it must isolate both the phase and neutral conductors of the circuit
PIKEMAN  
#3 Posted : 15 September 2011 13:00:45(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

There is no way that this could, in my opinion, be classed as an isolation. That is because it does not ISOLATE as I understand it - this is not just has to break the current path as was said above, but it should not be easily removed, which is the purpose of "lockoff".
IanS  
#4 Posted : 15 September 2011 13:01:38(UTC)
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IanS

Even if the isolation is "correct" my view is that a label is not a secure way of ensuring it remains isolated for the required duration and a lock is essential. It is possible of course that the power source is also locked out further up the line and the E-Stop is a secondary isolation.
Ron Hunter  
#5 Posted : 15 September 2011 13:02:31(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

On the face of it, no - unacceptable, not safe isolation for maintenance purposes.
Canopener  
#6 Posted : 15 September 2011 14:16:58(UTC)
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Canopener

I tend to agree that this isn't likely to be a safe method of, or probably not by definition - isolation. One of the main issues is whether the power could be restored 'intentionally' while any maintenance is still ongoing? Some form of robust locking off system would seem appropriate.
Zimmy  
#7 Posted : 15 September 2011 19:37:36(UTC)
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Zimmy

Can we accept? NO! Zimmy, electrician, electrical inspector and more than qualified to say so. :-) http://electrical-testing-safety.blogspot.com/
Canopener  
#8 Posted : 15 September 2011 20:48:11(UTC)
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Canopener

Vinod - you need look no further!!!!
Steve Sedgwick  
#9 Posted : 16 September 2011 00:29:45(UTC)
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Steve Sedgwick

quote=vinod]The electrical isolation, can we consider an ESD (emergency stop device/ push button) as a safe point of isolation?. It's noticed during a site audit a piece of electrical equipment was isolated with its ESD button at the control panel & there was no locking device, but its tagged. Can we accept?
No it is not isolation in terms of the supply, it maybe that it is what I call "control isolation" Does this e stop simply isolate the control desk preventing accidental activation whilst an operator is close to the line / machine, if so it is acting similar to an electrical interlock fitted to a safety gate would do, and can be acceptable depending on the circumstances. Steve
Terry556  
#10 Posted : 16 September 2011 08:47:19(UTC)
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Terry556

Emergency switch is not a short cut to isolation, Lock out tag out should be used on all machinery,
paul.skyrme  
#11 Posted : 17 September 2011 11:07:31(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

An emergency stop button is by definition NOT isolation. Depending upon the work being done and the detail design of the control system, it can be completely safe to undertake certain tasks with the use of only the machine emergency stop button, however, this must be under control of the person undertaking the tasks at all times and a SSW with tags outs etc. must also be in place.
paul.skyrme  
#12 Posted : 17 September 2011 11:14:30(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Pressed the wrong button! Sorry. Oh to be able to edit... Also the OP does not say what was being undertaken, why the isolation was required, what the tag was for etc. As my opening line says the EM Stop is NOT isolation of anything. It merely disables certain aspects of the machine control system. If isolation is required then isolation must be done, and as far as electrical works go then that means disconnecting all live conductors from the source of energy. This may not be at the first energy inlet at the machine, i.e. the main machine isolator, it could be at a downstream isolation device which as long as it meets the requirements would be OK. This would depend on the item of equipment being maintained.
vinod  
#13 Posted : 18 September 2011 07:29:59(UTC)
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vinod

Thanks Guys!
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