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firesafety101  
#1 Posted : 24 September 2011 20:47:59(UTC)
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firesafety101

Just read Clairel's reply re time travel and wonder how/why people get into health and safety as a career?
NigelB  
#2 Posted : 25 September 2011 16:05:40(UTC)
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NigelB

Chris By accident. Cheers. Nigel
John J  
#3 Posted : 25 September 2011 17:13:05(UTC)
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John J

Through the union, thought it would be none supervisory route to help people in the workplace. I was right barring the none supervisory. Wouldn't change other than do it sooner.
Clairel  
#4 Posted : 26 September 2011 08:59:44(UTC)
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Clairel

ChrisBurns wrote:
Just read Clairel's reply re time travel and wonder how/why people get into health and safety as a career?
To clarify (but in a very shortened and simplified version) - I didn't even know what health and safety was but I needed work and applied for every graduate trainee position going and got offered a role with the HSE and then sort of got stuck in the profession....and yes, very truthfully, if I knew then what I know now I would never have accepted that first position with the HSE :-( That my irritate those of you that wanted to get into the profession or are currently trying to get into the profession, that I got in so easily and have regretted it ever since....even more irritatingly I think I'm quite good at being a H&S consultant...........but that's life and I'm being my ever truthful self........
Bob Howden  
#5 Posted : 26 September 2011 09:09:54(UTC)
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Bob Howden

The better of two evils. After a particularly bad patch of arguments with my manager I was offered a transfer either to be a 'locum' production superviser with no fixed place of work, or become a Colliery Safety Engineer, same pay, less hours, master of my own destiny ... That was 30 years ago.
firesafety101  
#6 Posted : 26 September 2011 09:48:33(UTC)
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firesafety101

I was retired by Merseyside Fire Brigade in 1989, (injury on duty) and my first job after that was Fire Prevention Officer in a factory with 1800 employees. (Chief Fire Officer of a works fire brigade as well). My Boss was the Safety Engineer (posh name for health and safety manager), he sent me on a NEBOSH course. When he left 2 years later I was given his job but retitled Fire and Safety Manager. Now self employed and choose who I work for, and thoroughly enjoy what I do.
David Bannister  
#7 Posted : 26 September 2011 10:01:51(UTC)
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David Bannister

Insurance → property loss prevention → protecting people → doing if for myself. Now I get more satisfaction from preventing injury, disease or illness than calculating sprinkler discharge densities. Still feel proud when my interventions and advice lead to a significant and noticeable improvement in real risk to people.
Ken Slack  
#8 Posted : 26 September 2011 10:08:41(UTC)
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Ken Slack

ChrisBurns wrote:
Just read Clairel's reply re time travel and wonder how/why people get into health and safety as a career?
For me it was an enforced career change after leaving the forces after 26 years, actually enjoying it with my organsiation and feel I am making a real difference........ Loving the civvie life ;c)
BuzzLightyear  
#9 Posted : 26 September 2011 10:09:03(UTC)
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BuzzLightyear

Did the Occupational Hygiene degree because I liked all the sciency and engineering stuff. After graduating, gradually realised I preferred dealing with people rather than measuring things so got more into general H&S. Ruined my plans to become a pop star though! I've just been on a stag weekend and met a group of blokes I had not met before. When making conversation, I found myself avoiding asking them what they do for a living because I knew they would return the question to me! Why do I feel this way? I don't know - perhaps partly because I anticipate general contempt - thanks to the influence of the media ElfnSafety stories. Also, because it is great material for people to take the Mickey out of me! I'm too sensitive for this job. I want to be a rock god instead!
Mr.Flibble  
#10 Posted : 26 September 2011 10:31:57(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

Got tacked onto H&S Manager, she left, they left me to run it and for some strange reason I thought it would be a good carear choice...11 years later..... All Work and no play makes Mr.Flibble a dull boy.... All Work and no play makes Mr.Flibble a dull boy.... All Work and no play makes Mr.Flibble a dull boy.... All Work and no play makes Mr.Flibble a dull boy.... All Work and no play makes Mr.Flibble a dull boy.... All Work and no play makes Mr.Flibble a dull boy..............
kdrum  
#11 Posted : 26 September 2011 11:38:35(UTC)
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kdrum

Originally from a training background, moved from hands on to managing contracts for providers who had to undergo SQMS Audits and part of the audit looked at H&S performance. It was decided that as ex forces I may be suited to the H&S element so put on training courses, worked alongside H&S Manager and now 16 yrs later here I am. Challenging job as it is, I do enjoy it tho like others sometimes wish I drove a white van delivering parcels!!
tabs  
#12 Posted : 26 September 2011 11:40:52(UTC)
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tabs

I had been "let go" over a safety argument (that I had won!) and a friend who knew me well suggested a H&S degree and it was like the light going on. I had already been doing a lot of the stuff as a Production Engineer and it was all just natural after that. I never duck the question - but I always point out that I hate "jobsworths" too if they start. I don't recognise the 'elf n safety stereotype in myself, but I have a lot of friends who know how passionate I am about the serious stuff. Never offer an opinion out of hours unless someone wants your help - unless you hear them trying to stop/hinder something in the name of H&S :-) (my pet hate)
JohnW  
#13 Posted : 26 September 2011 12:03:52(UTC)
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JohnW

As a young graduate n years ago I was asked to be a Safety Rep and found the task interesting. About 15 years later some of us attended a T&G free course on Risk Assessment, again interesting, but I was embarrassed during the course when asked what is the Six Pack. So, persuaded manager to let me subscribe to Croner. By this time I was quality manager. There already was a Safety Officer but I was offered additional role as Lab Safety Manager to deal in detail with COSHH and lab equipment, and safety at customers where our reps worked. Three years later I was made redundant and could afford to not work for rest of tax year. Bored with 'quality auditing' I planned a self-employment career in H&S starting with NEBOSH cert, IOSH... So H&S was something I'd always been interested in and during my technical career gradually worked up a knowledge and now have a 'competency' and a part-time self-employment. This job is enjoyable as (contrary to media/press) most people I work with DO understand the importance of H&S at work.
Andrew W Walker  
#14 Posted : 26 September 2011 12:19:50(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

I was side shifted into it. Having a dangerous goods background it was decided that I would fit well in with H&S. If I could go back in time, I would have started a lot earlier in this profession. Andy
m  
#15 Posted : 26 September 2011 12:47:17(UTC)
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m

After too mnay years in various electronic engineering roles with associated H&S parts I took on a role that was 50% H&S. Jumped at the chance of doing the NEBOSH Certificate and loved it. Then I elbowed my way into the H&S manager job, took the diploma, and here I am...
martin1  
#16 Posted : 26 September 2011 14:37:13(UTC)
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martin1

At the time it was either doing this or being a white slave trader. My mother was still mad at me as I had just sold the family cow for some beans. I figured I'd better take the health and safety job. Funny how things always work out for the best.
Graham Bullough  
#17 Posted : 26 September 2011 18:59:25(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Good topic to raise and some good responses already. In my case I responded to a newspaper advert in 1977 by the newly formed HSE for trainee inspectors. The job seemed to be varied and interesting, and included ample training and support from specialists. Though I knew little about OS&H at the time, I was aware of the Flixborough disaster, not least because one of my former fellow students came from Lincolnshire and knew several people who were injured or killed in the disaster. Also, while at college I had read and been fascinated by the report of the official inquiry into the 1966 Aberfan Disaster, partly because one of my geology professors had given evidence to the inquiry. Until the disaster it seemed that nobody had really questioned the long established and widespread practice of dumping large amounts of colliery spoil on sloping hillsides over natural springs. Also, I was on my second temporary job after leaving college, so the starting salary of just over £3k with HSE seemed notably good at the time. I've no regrets about having spent 34 years in OS&H, most of them as an adviser with a sizeable unitary local authority after 10 years with HSE. Overall, it's been a varied, interesting and enjoyable career with a good eclectic mix of people, engineering, psychology, law and other topics. The range of people encountered has been considerable, including some great and even inspiring individuals, within and outwith OS&H, and inevitably some wazzocks as well - all part of life's rich tapestry. As already mentioned at intervals on this forum, I'm happy to tell people (if they ask) what I do for a living - and add that real OS&H is vastly different from "elf n safety" as commonly portrayed by the media. I'm an enabler, a do-er and don't go about banning things. Also, perhaps slightly paradoxically, I enjoy some challenging pursuits which some people might perceive as hazardous, including mountain scrambling, exploring old mines & quarries and self-guided Nordic ski-touring.
Zimmy  
#18 Posted : 26 September 2011 19:39:34(UTC)
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Zimmy

I just got fed up of people talking about H&S in the electrical trade and not knowing anything about electricity, let alone inspection, testing and design. So I thought I'd take a peep at it all and get my CSCS J.I.B. card back up to date ( a bit more advanced than the CSCS test) As it stands in Wales (Swansea) it seems that when H&S and electricity are mentioned people become deaf. .
BuzzLightyear  
#19 Posted : 26 September 2011 21:09:13(UTC)
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BuzzLightyear

quote=Graham Bullough]As already mentioned at intervals on this forum, I'm happy to tell people (if they ask) what I do for a living - and add that real OS&H is vastly different from "elf n safety" as commonly portrayed by the media.
I am interested in this comment. If I tell people what I do for a living - their face starts to twitch, grimace or develop a repressed tongue in cheek expression! I would love to get people to understand the vast difference between real health and safety versus the media version, but usually I can't be bothered because I don't think people want to hear the truth. A bit defeatist I know, but I sense that people just want to get in to the "Ooh, we live in an American style claims culture" or "don't you think its all getting a bit over the top?", "What do you think about them banning conkers at school - rediculous isn't it?" kind of comments. How do you explain the real OS&H? What sort of things do you say to counteract years of heart-felt media indoctrination? Any tips? Please!
Bruce Sutherland  
#20 Posted : 26 September 2011 22:49:59(UTC)
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Bruce Sutherland

sounds like another ex hse person ... - I needed a job ... got one with HSE as a trainee inspector - salary was pants compared to what I earned but there was no work in Cornwall in the last recession in the early 90's Knew nothing about h and s but having sold fertiliser to farmers then being one of the last intakes of HM insp of agriculture seemed a bit easy ... if the farmers did not "buy" my safety message I could always use my warrant! So I was one of those "don't cares" at an interview board where there were hundreds for every place and presumably because I did not care I got through such is life! Seems a long time ago - I do wish people would stop managing hazard at present and remember HSW and those qualifying words SFARP!! as there is an aweful lot of rubbish currently clogging the channels and blocking progress. I tell people what I do for a living
Ajc100  
#21 Posted : 27 September 2011 08:32:32(UTC)
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Ajc100

Left college, decided to get a job with an employer that would train me and pay me rather than go to Uni. Seven years down the line, i'm still here :-)
13farrar  
#22 Posted : 27 September 2011 08:50:04(UTC)
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13farrar

#19 Buzz, I'm sure you speak for a lot of us.
MaxPayne  
#23 Posted : 27 September 2011 09:42:39(UTC)
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MaxPayne

Interesting topic... For me personally H&S is about half my current role, but is the direction I want to take my career if opportunity presents. I share colleagues concerns here about being portrayed as the "elf n safety" brigade which the media thrive upon, and have always taken a role which thinks about the practical application whilst being mindful of business costs etc. I'm not ashamed to admit what I do, quite the contrary; personal job satisfaction knowing that what I do makes a difference in a preventative way is enough for me.
blodwyn  
#24 Posted : 27 September 2011 10:17:18(UTC)
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blodwyn

I have to admit rather like Claire I fell into it and in the same way was offered a position as a graduate recruit into the HSE in 1990. However as time has gone by my passion for it has grown and I rally against those who mock. It is not an easy buck as many feel - it is hard work, can be hideously demoralising at times when for the nth time you have been mocked/harried and beaten with the proverbial stick - but it is about making a difference and helping keep people safe. I am not bold enough ever to say I am good at it but I am still after all these years very passionate and motivated. I love it, the challenge and the outcomes. Very very rarely do you get a thank you- but when you do - all those late nights and hard graft are totally worth it. If you want it - go for it - you can make a difference no matter how small!! I would say dont let the b****** grind you down but fear the moderators!!!
Ron Hunter  
#25 Posted : 27 September 2011 12:59:49(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

You mean people actually plan to do this for a living! Add sort of job this though - your ultimate aim is really to render yourself redundant?
Graham Bullough  
#26 Posted : 27 September 2011 13:16:08(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Blodwyn's comments above echo most of my feelings about OS&H, although I don't particularly recall being mocked and harried - perhaps I've just been lucky over the years. Part of OS&H in my opinion is to challenge widespread ignorance and misperceptions, including ones increasingly generated by media sources in recent years. As a partial answer to Buzz's query above, when encountering someone who grimaces at the mention of "health and safety" it's worth trying to gently pursue a conversation which includes questions along the following lines: what do you think H&S is about? Is your impression based mainly on what you've seen/read on TV and in the press? Do you believe absolutely everything you see/read? Also, ask them about what sorts of jobs they've done over the years and how their experiences of H&S have influenced their opinion. Tact and humour are useful ingredients for such conversations. Also, those of us with basic knowledge of a wide range of different types of occupations, employers and work environments, etc (gained for example through having worked for HSE) will find such knowledge is very advantageous. Some of the people I've met have had to endure boring and poorly delivered H&S training courses which unnecessarily included hefty detailed doses of H&S law. I've tended to commiserate with such people and explain that when I lead training courses I deliberately keep the dry H&S law element to a bare minimum. A useful analogy of this is that people who travel in cars should wear seat belts for protection in the event of a collision. This underpins why it is also required by law and is enforced by traffic police. However, I neither know nor care which actual bit of law is involved, and wouldn't expect most other people to know or care either.
Barrie(Badger)Etter  
#27 Posted : 27 September 2011 15:08:15(UTC)
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Barrie(Badger)Etter

quote=Mr.Flibble]Got tacked onto H&S Manager, she left, they left me to run it and for some strange reason I thought it would be a good career choice...11 years later..... All Work and no play makes Mr.Flibble a dull boy.... All Work and no play makes Mr.Flibble a dull boy.... All Work and no play makes Mr.Flibble a dull boy.... All Work and no play makes Mr.Flibble a dull boy.... All Work and no play makes Mr.Flibble a dull boy.... All Work and no play makes Mr.Flibble a dull boy..............
Same as Mr Flibble, told one day 'We want you to look after safety and environment' my boss said. 'But boss I know now't on those subjects' his reply was, ' That's alright we've already booked you on a course at the local college, you ARE free next Thurs night aren't you?@. Ten years on loving it but still cannot shake the quality side of the job! Badger
firesafety101  
#28 Posted : 27 September 2011 16:48:06(UTC)
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firesafety101

I have never been embarrassed about my profession and always answer honestly when asked what do I do. Perhaps the fire safety bit added to health and safety makes people less inclined to criticise. I enjoy my work and have on occasion done it for nothing.
alan013  
#29 Posted : 27 September 2011 17:29:37(UTC)
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alan013

Working as a lift engineer for 16 years, I was asked to help out when our Health & Safety officer was off on maternity leave. After a couple of months I figured out she wasn't coming back! Now I've completed NEBOSH certificate and enjoying it :) Lots of ups and downs in the Lift industry
alan w houghton  
#30 Posted : 28 September 2011 09:50:10(UTC)
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alan w houghton

Same as most Production Manager made redundant, got another position and found there procedures where poor, decided to do something about it and asked for my NEBOSH to aid me, company paid years later redundant again but my NEBOSH helped me get my first health and safety position Would love to work for myself one day but probably haven't got the bottle to do so or the sales skills required In the meantime decided to take my open assessment (sep11)and hopefully get chartered Some days are good others not so but the same with all jobs I have over the years
Malcolm  
#31 Posted : 28 September 2011 10:44:23(UTC)
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Malcolm

Yes indeed its not for the money in my case started live as a maintenance engineer many years ago. Not much H&S in them days. Held several management positions found H&S was part of my role. Started training late if life at 50 three years later was chartered im 59 now and work in H&S full time. Would I do the same again yes it is a very important role and not one for shrinking violets as they say. What our profession does is worth while and makes a difference not only today but also for the future for people at work. Wonder if the goverment has ever identified how much money is saved by our work for the NHS?
chris42  
#32 Posted : 28 September 2011 10:56:41(UTC)
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chris42

For me it sort of just happened, but there was a reasonably logical progression. I put the ISO9001 system in for the company and at the end was made Quality Manager, somehow became Environmental manager at same time (don’t remember being consulted on this). Then the company wanted to have a fully integrated system QA + ENV + H&S + other stuff, so ended up HSE Manager & Systems Manager at the same time. Thought better have some qualifications to go with H&S, so did NEBOSH Cert then Diploma, which helped me no end over the six years I had the job. Over the course of time I had some real eye opener conversations with people on what they think of H&S, most of which made me wonder why I was putting myself through this. However on the odd occasion events or conversations made it worthwhile. I know of one instance I was walking through the factory and caught someone up a ladder leaning against something unsafe, told him to get down, a few minutes later the item fell and if the employee had still been on the ladder would have been killed. Additionally on my last day of working for a company following being made redundant and felling quite low, an employee safety rep gave up his break time to seek me out and thanked me for all I had done for them, the day improved substantially. I guess the question should be not why you get into H&S, but why stay in H&S. Due to my current circumstances I may not have much of a choice but to leave H&S and go for any job I can.
Graham Bullough  
#33 Posted : 28 September 2011 14:40:52(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Though I've no problem with explaining my profession nowadays, I was sometimes less forthcoming during my HSE days, especially when staying in B&Bs (bed & breakfasts) anbd guest houses while away 'on the road' for two or more days inspecting in parts of Northern Scotland. My first brief case had E II R and a crown on it and sometimes people asked what line of business I was in, so I tended to say something like "don't tell anyone but it's Inland Revenue - would you believe?". For some strange reason this usually stemmed the immediate conversation, but possibly initiated local gossip that a tax inspector was visiting the neighbourhood! I wasn't embarrassed about my HSE role, but thought it best to keep it quiet when staying in areas where I was doing unannounced inspection visits. Also, in my early HSE days when I said what I really did, some enquirers would respond by telling me that their husband, son or some other relative worked at such and such a place where it wasn't very safe and then asked if I would visit and check the place out. The phrase "would you believe?" in circumstances like that above can be useful - it leaves hearers to decide if they are being told the truth or not, and also assuages guilt about imparting untrue information!
Safety Smurf  
#34 Posted : 28 September 2011 15:03:59(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Not to mention that impersonating a Crown official is nearly always a criminal offence!
Graham Bullough  
#35 Posted : 28 September 2011 16:07:34(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Safety Smurf - you've got me worried now! Even though I was at the time a crown official - one of Her Majesty's Inspectors of Health and Safety - could I be prosecuted for implying that I was another type of crown official ?!!! Anyhow, there's no 'evidence' of my alleged impersonation other than hearsay comment by me on this forum. Furthermore, some thirty years on, I can't recall/won't say at which establishments I might have committed the possible offence. Even if I do get prosecuted, I could try arguing that nobody else was harmed by the impersonation and also that it involved no potential or actual personal gain on my part.
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