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It is a long shot but I wondered if anybody has come across a case MacDermott -v- Booth that was heard in the Nottingham Industrial Tribunal?
The case is about whether or not it was reasonably practicable to heat a building 50' high and covering 9 acres to the statutory minimum temperature.
Any further information about the case or any reference to it in another case would be gratefully received.
Thanks in advance.
DJ
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DJ
I don't know if its the same case but from my dim distant memory when studying my NEBOSH there was a case such as this in an engineering workshop. It was used as a defining case in "reasonably practicable" and it was held that it would not be RP to bring the whole area up to temperature and that local heating, breaks etc should be accepted.
Hope that helps.
Brian.
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I agree with Brian. But don't be going quoting a 'statutory minimum temperature though - there isn't one in the Workplace Regs.
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The Approved Code of Practice suggests a minimum temperature in workrooms should normally be at least 16 degrees Celsius – or 13 degrees Celsius if much of the work indoors involves severe physical effort. These temperatures are not absolute legal requirements; the employer’s essential duty is to determine what reasonable comfort will be in the particular circumstances.
There is no maximum temperature, although WHO recommends a max of 75F.
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dj - Your long shot was worthwhile. The case you quote almost certainly involves the former oil platform fabrication yard operated by McDermott (Inc?) at Ardersier near Inverness. It was a massive site and included a very large open ended hangar type building. The building was unheated and very cold especially in winter when the wind blew in off the Moray Firth. Owing to the complexity and significant risk potential of the activities and the large numbers employed, the site received considerable and regular attention from inspectors based at HSE's Aberdeen office, headed by Principal Inspector Mike Booth who was my first boss when I joined HSE in March 1977.
Mike had served an improvement notice on the firm requiring some form of heating inside the hangar and possibly also some means of temporarily closing the hangar's open end. The notice was almost certainly served with the expectation that it would be contested by the firm at an industrial tribunal. I was an observer at the tribunal hearing held in Inverness (not sure of any link with Nottingham) probably around April 1977. From recollection the tribunal decided that the hangar did not constitute a room within a factory and therefore did not require heating. The matter was very probably pursued as a test case for HSE regarding its stance about heating in other similar buildings/structures.
Lurking somewhere in my loft at home is my HSE notebook which is likely to include copious notes of the hearing which lasted one or possibly two days. If you or others would like some more details of the case, including possibly the content of the improvement notice, I can try to find my notebook. As the tribunal hearing was open to the public, I don't think I would be breaching any confidentiality in summarising some of its content.
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Spurred by my own curiosity I found my notebook with details of the industrial tribunal hearing held on 30.3.77. It was a long day and apparently included a site visit by the tribunal to the hangar involved. The area involved was enclosed on 3.5 sides at the back of the hangar. Unfortunately I don't readily have a copy of the improvement notice involved. However, it seems that it cited alleged breaches of section 2 of the HSW Act 1974 and Section 3(1) of the Factories Act 1961, much of which was still in force at the time. Thus, much of the evidence by various people, including employees, inspectors and specialists for both sides, was about the reasonable practicability or otherwise of providing heating, probably localised radiant heating, and/or whether or not the area was a factory room and therefore some form of heating should be provided by employees. At the end of the hearing (19:10 hours) the tribunal members said that they would issue a decision with reasons about the improvement notice as soon as possible. Unfortunately, I don't think I've got any written copy of the decision but am reasonably certain that it upheld the firm's appeal against my boss's improvement notice. Therefore, to echo DJ's plea, does anyone know if are available from anywhere about the notice and the tribunal's decision?
In life you win some things and lose others: The day before the tribunal hearing my boss, a colleague and I had been at Inverness Sheriff Court for a trial arising from the tragic death of one of McDermott's employees at Ardersier through asphyxiation in an underground valve chamber while searching for a leak of argon gas from a pipe connection. Though the case was defended, the firm was almost certainly convicted for a clear breach of the relevant section (30?) of the Factories Act 1961 regarding basic precautions for confined spaces.
From what I could see during a dolphin watching boat trip on the Moray Firth last year, the site of the Ardersier yard was just a large expanse of grass and concrete. Websites state that the yard closed in 2002 after 30 years of production. The closure almost certainly had a major adverse effect on employment and business, etc in the Inverness area. Before demolition the hangar was photographed and measured in detail for industrial heritage purposes as being one of if not the largest structure of its kind in Europe. The dolphin watching trip wasn't greatly successful: saw countless seals lounging on various sandbanks and about 1.5 seconds worth of a dolphin doing a leap above the water!
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Hi Graham. Didn't you know that your old Inspector Notebooks are meant ot be destroyed when you leave the service? Like I did (Ha! still in the loft awaiting my memoirs).
I joined in July 1977 so the case was still current at that point. It was an important one because a lot of industries used large open or semi-open sheds which were difficult or even impossible to heat in the winter. Unfortunately I don't have any record of the outcome but I don't think HMFI ever appealed it. HMFI were usually reluctant to appeal a verdict on the basis that if they lost it a precedent would be created that other courts would have to follow. Better to leave it vague so that inspectors could arm-twist if necessary. Appeals were for civil cases.
Many happy memories of the old Aberdeen District Office in Albyn Place (now a solicitors I think), funnily enough I was just telling someone the other day how every sheet of the toilet paper had "Government Property" stamped on it. People still don't believe that.
I haven't been up to the Moray Firth for a while now but have excellent views of the Dolphins on previous visits.
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