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gilst  
#1 Posted : 28 September 2011 12:08:34(UTC)
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gilst

Hi I'd be grateful for some clarity on the following please.

I've been asked to report employee accidents by 1000 work hours in a monthly report so I'd be grateful if someone could let me know the formula one should use and how to go about achieving this. Is the 1000 hours a standard calculation used?

Many thanks
C
John J  
#2 Posted : 28 September 2011 12:38:51(UTC)
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John J

C

I'm not aware of the 1000 hours but to benchmark to others you will be better of with either HSE (100,000) or OSHA (200,000) to give you the accident frequency rate. The calculation is;

Total number of injuries x 100,000 (or if OSHA 200,000)/ number of hours worked by all employees = accident frequency rate
smitch  
#3 Posted : 28 September 2011 12:47:45(UTC)
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smitch

C

INCIDENT RATE= Total number of accidents multiplied by 1000 divided by number of persons employed (i.e. accidents per 1000 employees )
Definition:- number of accidents per 1000 employees
A factor of 100,000 is used by HSE for the “AIR” i.e. number of accidents per 100000 employees (Definition:- number of accidents per 100 000 employees)

FREQUENCY RATE =Total number of accidents multiplied by 1000000 divided by total number of man hours worked (i.e. number of accidents per 1 000 000 hours worked)
Definition:- number of accidents per 1 000 000 hours worked
(Note:- Some tend to use a multiplication factor of 2000000 as this figure is the hours worked in a year by 1000 employees assuming they work 40 hours per week for 50 weeks in a year)

SEVERITY RATE=Total number of days lost multiplied by 1000 divided by total number of man hours worked (i.e. average number of days lost per 1000 hours worked)
Definition:- average number of days lost per 1000 hours worked

MEAN DURATION RATE = Total number of days lost divided by total number of accidents (i.e. average number of days lost per accident)
Definition:- average number of days lost per accident

DURATION RATE=Number of man hours worked divided by total number of accidents (i.e. average number of man hours between accidents)
Definition:- average number of man hours between accidents
chris42  
#4 Posted : 28 September 2011 13:31:43(UTC)
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chris42

I have often been asked to calculate and supply to customers RIDDOR Accident Frequency rate as Number of RIDDOR accidents x 100,000 divided by the number of hours worked (for all people).

It was once explained to me that the 100,000 was about the number of hours a single person worked in their life time ( 49 years x 50 weeks per year x 40 hours per week = 98,000). This of course could be bull !, but seemed reasonable enough. Note the government has other ideas about how long you should work, though it probably improves the maths.

I know organisations like the BCSA (British Construction Steelwork Association) use the above formula. So as said above check what others in your industry, customers use.
gilst  
#5 Posted : 28 September 2011 16:06:56(UTC)
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gilst

Hi all, thanks for the responses. how would I go about calculating hours worked?

for example with a company with 2100 employees would I have to average working hours over a 52 week period and then x time by 100,000 to calculate working hours?
chris42  
#6 Posted : 28 September 2011 16:30:47(UTC)
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chris42

You may find your HR dept have accurate info. If not it depends how accurate you want to be. As hours worked is the number you divide by you want it to be as large as possible, so you may want to take account of overtime etc. I would suggest that people don't actually work 52 weeks a year ( if they have an accident on holiday that's their problem). So take off two, three or even four weeks as appropriate to your org. You do not need to multiply the hours by 100,000, just the accidents. It also depends what period you want your stats over ( I used to have a 12 month rolling average), but could be worked out monthly.

So RIDDOR AFR if you had 2 RIDDOR accidents x 100,000 gives you 200,000 divided by (2,100 employees x 37 hours a week x 48 weeks per year) you get 200,000 / 3,729,600 = 0.0536

Simples :0)




imwaldra  
#7 Posted : 29 September 2011 17:14:20(UTC)
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imwaldra

The IOSH guide recommends reporting per 100 full-time equivalent employees as, in today's world, very few organisations count everyone's actual hours in order to pay them. It is then unhelpful for safety advisors to insist in using hours in calculations to benchmark performance - the organisation typically ends up 'guesstimating' the total hours, for at least some employees, so the exercise adds no value.

However, most people in most organisation have a good idea of what 100 people look like - and 100 people work roughly 200,000 hours per year, so you can easily compare the resulting injury rate with an OSHA frequency rate, or divide an HSE sector frequency rate by 1000.
chris42  
#8 Posted : 30 September 2011 09:33:21(UTC)
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chris42

imwaldra, I don’t suppose you would be so kind as to give me the name of the IOSH guidance you referred to. I tried to search for it, but drew a blank. I was struggling to get my mind around how this actually works, and I am always keen to review alternative ideas.

By the way, we used to use the actual hours as it was requested by the MD. It turned out that it made a significant difference to the AFR and was seen as commercially attractive. It was not difficult for us as we had an electronic clock in/out system, so the info was only a few mouse clicks away. I guess this may not be so easy for others.
smitch  
#9 Posted : 30 September 2011 09:54:05(UTC)
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smitch

Hi chris 42

Sorry to answer a question asked of someone else, its just that I happen to have been looking at the document imwaldra is probably referring to just the other day.

Have a look in the IOSH document:
Reporting performance – guidance on including health and safety performance in annual reports

http://www.iosh.co.uk/in.../guidance_and_tools.aspx

about halfway down the left hand column on page four

imwaldra  
#10 Posted : 30 September 2011 09:55:03(UTC)
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imwaldra

Chris,
See 'Reporting Performance', p4, in the section on 'minimal reports'. I agree it doesn't leap out at you - apologies for not providing the detail in my first posting.
imwaldra  
#11 Posted : 30 September 2011 09:56:13(UTC)
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imwaldra

Smitch - you are too quick for me!
chris42  
#12 Posted : 30 September 2011 11:49:49(UTC)
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chris42

Thanks Smitch and imwaldra

I’m not sure I agree with the report. It states you should use frequency rates opposed to actual numbers, I agree with this saying one person had a serious injury is meaningless unless it is expressed in terms of how many people there are or amount of work done by those people. But by its very nature a frequency rate is a ratio of accidents / hours worked, so will be the same number for 10 people, 100 people or 1000 people, isn’t it.

So you employ 10 people and you have one serious injury that would be (1 x 100,000) / 20,000 =5 ( I have used the reports 100 people work 200,000 hrs so 1 person works 2,000 per year).

If you pro rata it up from 10 employees to 100 ( x by 10) you get (1 x 10 x100,000)/ 200,000 = 5

Or is it suggesting you only increase the hours ! so you get 0.5, I would not be comfortable with that.

I have to admit I find the comment in the report “very few have systems for measuring total hours worked” hard to accept. Personally I have found people not paid their overtime get a little peeved, so Company’s must have a system for recording this and would have thought it would be on either some fancy accounts package or a simple spread sheet for smaller companies. If nothing else the tax man wants to know how much everyone is paid, so there must be records of hours worked. My view would therefore be this information is more readily available than ever before. Yes some hours will not be recorded by managers who often don’t get paid overtime (or at least I did not).

If in the above example each of the 10 employees worked 2 hours a week overtime throughout the year that adds an additional 1,000 hours so you would get (1x100,000)/21,000= 4.76 this is a 5% reduction and not cheating just recording accurately.

I know the company I worked for the statistics were very important for new business, I also know for others it is not the same, so each to their own.

Also the report suggests reporting fatalities per 10,000 workers, again this should be a ratio, So 1 fatality with 10 workers would still = 5 AFR for fatalities again unless it is suggesting either
a) (1 x1000 x 100,000)/20,000,000 = 5 (no difference) or
b) (1x 100,000)/20,000,000 = 0.005 !!!!

Perhaps I’m reading it incorrectly or they should have put some worked examples to clarify what they mean. Because either what they are suggesting is pointless or they are suggesting ways to water down your statistics (which I’m sure they are not).

Am I the only person who is misreading the report? Or is there a flaw in the logic I used.

Sorry if I have hijacked the original thread, but I think clarity is worthwhile.
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