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Palmerharvey  
#1 Posted : 14 October 2011 12:20:45(UTC)
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Palmerharvey

I work for a large Distribution company. We have a number of warehouse across the UK, with a multitude of FLT's etc. I am aware of the ACOP from the HSE on the use of Safety cages (non integrated working platforms) We follow the guidance for everything apart from the one day a year for stocktake when due to business needs we utilise safety cages for stock counting. I have been happy with our risk assessment covering this - training, fall arrest, maintenance, checks on saftey cages etc. However I am now a little jittery should something go wrong and the HSE/LA refer to the phrase occasional / routine or planned tasks. I am after views on others views as to whther a once a year task would be deemed to be occasional or indeed a routine planned task. havingt o move to cherry pickers etc. would be extremely expensive and not really practicable for our stock taking operation. I am aware of the BFFF guidance on the use of cages in freezers but really need clarification on ambient conditions.n
monkey  
#2 Posted : 14 October 2011 12:35:25(UTC)
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My understanding is that these cages should not be used above the first lift, why not use the forklift to bring the stock to ground level then count it then place it back in the rack. We prepared for stock takes under these conditions by counting the contents of a pallet in advance and marking them up as checked, these would be clearly labelled. There was only a need then to count pallet from which items had been picked.
Palmerharvey  
#3 Posted : 14 October 2011 12:38:17(UTC)
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Palmerharvey

That is our other option but the extra time this takes provides extreme difficult for our 24/7 operation in our larger warehouses
MB1  
#4 Posted : 14 October 2011 12:40:09(UTC)
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MB1

Being that large and only undertaking stocktake on an annual basis? A better alternative would be to budget for the hire of an appropriate MEWP and justify the cost against the HSE recommendation of occasional use? This is a planned operation every year so plan in the cost for a more preferred system of work equipment
dennish  
#5 Posted : 16 October 2011 08:02:07(UTC)
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dennish

Agree totally with MB1, This is how we conduct ours with a day rate of approx £200 delivered i think this is reasonable alternative.
Robinson22450  
#6 Posted : 16 October 2011 18:52:19(UTC)
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Robinson22450

I agree with MB1 and Dennish. The safest way forward is the use of MEWP's. I work for a large Retailer with multiple distribution centres. We hire in MEWPS for quarterly stocktakes.
Polo  
#7 Posted : 17 October 2011 09:50:41(UTC)
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Polo

We too used FLT reach trucks with attached cages to carry out our stock take until we had a suprise visit during a stock take from the HSE who informed us that as we were carrying out "planned" work we should find another method. We now have a man-up truck and only use the cages for emergency access.
Rob35  
#8 Posted : 17 October 2011 09:56:46(UTC)
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Rob35

Agree with all the above. We conduct stock takes at various times during the year across our sites. The guidance clearly states that cages should not be used for stock take. We use scissorlifts that we hire in. Also do not forget the training requirement for any MEWPS. Rob
Jake  
#9 Posted : 17 October 2011 10:49:20(UTC)
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Jake

Just to echo what others have said, I too work for a large retailer. In years gone by safety cages were used for inventory, however since I joined and identified the practice and the guidance on their use (it even references stock taking as a planned activity), this has now stopped. We hire in MEWPs when required (we've recently purchased 1 for each warehouse now). On a technical note we came to the conclusion that something that was known to happen in advance is planned, regardless of whether it occurs once a week, once a month or once a year. Therefore the decision was easy for us. I think you would struggle to justify that it was not reasonably practicable to hire in a MEWP (presumably the only argument you could run is the financial cost being disproportionate to the safety gain), as I doubt this would financially cripple the company (as well as all the other factors relating to reasonable practicableness that could be satisfied).
Palmerharvey  
#10 Posted : 17 October 2011 10:57:42(UTC)
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Palmerharvey

I think I am getting the message here - good to see everyone thinks the same
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