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safetyman2010  
#1 Posted : 25 October 2011 17:21:22(UTC)
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safetyman2010

Hi Guys, We have a monthly H&S Committee meeting at our site. We have 6 Reps elected who attend and 6 senior managers. Before I joined the firm 2 years ago this meeting rarely happened so we have made big strides in getting it regularly occurring and good attendance. I have to put around 2 days worth work into the presentation and agenda each month so it is time consuming for me (especially without any other help in my dept). Main problem is the meetings are not very productive and I do not feel we are getting any benefit from the Reps. I present incident stats, details of incidents & actions, report stats and performance for year, lost time YTD, issue lists from them, and also events happening at the site, e.g. projects, significant changes, Occupational Hyigene Survey results, Fire Assessment findings, etc. I pretty much present to them for 1.5-2 hrs. They bring a big list of complaints & problems say you deal with it and complain and then leave. When asked to get involved and help with solutions they don't want to know. 1 or 2 are good are bringing things to attention that are credible safety issues but will not follow through with any personal responsibility. I want to change the format next year to get more engagement and ownership from them so wondered if anyone had any success improving their H&S Committee activities/agenda/ and quality of performance of their Reps? Cheers
m  
#2 Posted : 25 October 2011 17:45:55(UTC)
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m

I try to work to a fixed agenda and encourage 'issues' to be brought to my attention before the meeting. If there is time before the allotted hour has expired then I ask for AOB. If reps bring grumbles to the meeting then you have to deal with them 'cold' in front of managers. Challenge them as to why they are not bringing essential H&S matters to your attention as they happen. Anyway, as for improving the meeting I usually introduce new initiatives for their comment, sending them reading material beforehand. I also discuss any improvements, accidents etc. I think to present for 1-2 hours a month is not a good use of your time!
Graham Bullough  
#3 Posted : 25 October 2011 18:29:40(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Safetyman - the clue to your situation seems apparent from "I pretty much present to them for 1.5-2 hrs." Even if you are good at presenting information in an engaging manner, the others probably perceive the meetings basically as lectures by you. Also, m makes some good points, including the need to challenge the others as to why they are not raising issues directly with you and on a more frequent basis. If they cannot or are reluctant to approach you for whatever reasons prevail, try paying them brief visits if possible on a fairly regular and informal basis. Also, in their own work areas/environments they might find it easier to discuss issues. Additionally, why not try having the meetings say every two months instead of monthly and also avoid having meetings with a rigid duration of 2 hours. Also, try having a look at the "Myth of the Month" pages on the HSE website at http://www.hse.gov.uk/myth/ for some myths to share with the committee and prompt some discussion. Though HSE stopped offering new myths from Dec 2010 (bar a Royal Wedding special last April), there are some 45 myths from which to choose. I took a selection some time ago to one of my employer's education and schools H&S committee meetings, and they were a great hit. It was not surprising as quite a few of the myths relate to schools. However, there are some general myths (for example about stepladders, PAT testing, slips & trips and even safety experts making life miserable) which could well be appropriate for your organisation.
RayRapp  
#4 Posted : 25 October 2011 21:16:41(UTC)
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RayRapp

I agree with the above comments, in that you need to engage your audience, not talk at them. There are no simple solutions and I think we all get a bit exhausted from the stale monthly safety meetings, which can turn into a finger pointing exercise. However, why not ask or even nominate a person on the committee, including reps, to make a short presentation on a relevant h&s topic - about 10-15 mins with or without Q&As. This should be at the start of the meeting so as to lighten the mood and get people's tongues wagging. Whoever does the presentation nominates the next person. Marks out of 10 even - people having a poke and some banter is all part of the exercise. When I was once a rep I asked the senior manager chairing it if I could introduce a game called buzz (actually it was a rude word) word bingo just for a laugh. To my surprise he agreed and if anyone has ever 'played' it well...a bit naughty, but loads fun if your not the one talking.
IanS  
#5 Posted : 25 October 2011 22:20:40(UTC)
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IanS

Our safety committee meetings used to be of a similar format to those you describe, then fell by the wayside. When I worked to get the meetings reinstated one of the keys was to put power in the hands of the members - they were asked to elect the chairman and no SHE or management personnel were eligible for the post! The agenda is set by the chairman and all items need to be on the agenda 5 days before the meeting. I provide information and reports only if asked to do so. The members have arranged bi-annual whole site tours off their own bat. Agenda items are, in general, not individual moans but tend to be meatier subjects and members of management are summoned to attend to answer specific questions and listen to suggestions. It works for us but maybe we've been lucky in having a chairman who understands that the safety committee should be more than a moaning shop!
terrypike  
#6 Posted : 26 October 2011 00:38:51(UTC)
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terrypike

I've been involved with a medium sized company by sitting in on their quartely safety meetings, advising and also assisting managers with on site help. I was pleasantly surprised at the first meeting when the CEO opened by saying H & S was not an add on and critical to the business, he expected at least an H & S action / improvement every quarter from each department and the target would be zero incidents / accidents (he came from a high risk industry) each person at the meeting is expected to make a report. also a report of the safety meetings would be a no1 item at board meetings. The CEO also said that only holidays, a medical appointment or sick note is an excuse not to attend. The meetings are kept friendly with some banter and mickey taking and very pleasant to be involved with. Is it possible to get the MD / CEO on board pushing a similar attitude and expectation. You could try pressing for reports with suggestions for solutions in advance so that they can be put on the agenda, specify that complaints must be presented in advance & on the agenda to be discussed and use AOB for "emergency" or pressing items, perhaps the meeting isn't the place to accept a list of gripes. If your top management is helpful they could task people to follow up issues and expect a report on progress presented the next month, this would take some of the pressure off of you to carry the meeting. Perhaps the reps & managers should be required to give a formal report, what they've done, any improvements they've made and what they plan to do etc You're obviously working hard to keep this going and have made great strides in making the meetings regular which must in itself be satifying. It sounds like the others are happy to sit back and let you do all the work and perhaps they should be pushed into the limelight a bit more though it seems you need more support from the top.
Dave C  
#7 Posted : 26 October 2011 08:44:13(UTC)
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Dave C

It is almost a relief and quite reassuring that others are experiencing similair challenges to myself. I have a round the table meeting rather than presenting with 14 reps from sites/departments. These meetings were resurrected a couple of years ago and slowly but surely I see more of the reps contributing at the meetings. Some will sit there and say zilch time after time and I wonder why they out themselves forward as reps in the first place, a few have now really embraced it and assist in workplace inspections and have genuine interest in H and S. Again I too get the whinge and moans and complaints when it gets to sites updates and no matter how hard I try i.e. don't wait until this meeting to bring up trivial workplace issues it still happens. I have a set agenda which goes out beforehand - a good part of the meeting is discussion of accident trends and what is going on out there rather than ploughing through statistics. I would like to offer the reps some formal H and S training as recognition of importance of their role and to perhaps increase motivation, feeling valued. Could anyone offer any advice as to a recommended course suitable for safety representatives that could be undertaken in house. e.g. IOSH??
R Pollock  
#8 Posted : 26 October 2011 12:03:32(UTC)
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R Pollock

I agree with Dave C - its a relief to hear others having similar issues. I took the same approach as safetyman when starting up the meetings. I gave it up when I got sick of watching people yawn while I was sharing information I thought they needed to know. I got rid of the presentation element and now have group discussions. Some contribute more than others and some still look bored but its improving. Getting decent issues raised is still a bit hit or miss as people are not willing to raise serious issues, just the ones that are safe and don't reflect badly on their department. To help that along I pick relevant recent hse prosecutions or articles to discuss and look for people comment on whether it could happen in our organisation or not. I don't have senior managers at the meetings so people are free to raise all issues without worrying about office politics. We also discuss different policies / procedures to identify what works and what doesn't. One of the issues I found was that people didn't know what to raise so in the beginning I would talk about specific hazards and get people to talk about where they occur in their work.
pete48  
#9 Posted : 26 October 2011 13:37:54(UTC)
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pete48

You might consider using the next meeting to do a bit of a review as a committee. Not you standing at the front but team work. Perhaps someone from HR could help with the process if you feel it would help everyone on the committee. You could, for example, use HSG263 to do a simple gap analysis as a team approach in the next meeting. Everyone will have to contribute to that if you get the process right. I am thinking of para 12, 43 and 53 as a start. Get members to review how you, as a committee, achieve the key points covered in that guidance, what success they can see in each area etc. The outcome would hopefully be a nice common reminder of the purpose etc of the committee as well as current performance measured against that guidance. Of course it might open a can of worms but whatever it identifies it will give direction for the future of the committee. I see many such committees that think they share a common view but when questioned often have very diverse views of the what, why and how. They have either never measured their performance against the codes or not done so recently and have strayed far from the guidance available to help them perform effectively. Good Luck p48
NigelB  
#10 Posted : 28 October 2011 23:32:53(UTC)
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NigelB

safetyman2010 I've been involved with many safety committees over many years in different organisations. As I'm a little tired I've offloaded things that have worked in different organisations or phrased questions that may act as a prompt. They are all mixed up and in no logical order. The questions are not directed to you specifically just prompters. Clearly you may already have some of the measures in place and some cover ground identified by other posts. Hope there is something that might help. 1. Have the most senior person in the organisation as the chair and the senior worker rep alternating the chair. 2. Persuade the most senior executive to publicly support the reps and state how important the role of the worker representative is in the company – written statements are helpful: set out the agreed role of the reps; identify what support the company will give them and what is expected of them; and ensure the legal rights to consultation etc are well understood by all managers. This should be agreed with the reps first!! 3. Convince the organisation it is in their interests to support worker reps with more than words – i.e. training, paid release to work jointly with managers and others to solve targeted problems. 4. Link joint manager/worker rep training to both health and safety plans – let them be part of the planning process? - and ensure all understand what the organisation is trying to achieve by its existence – producing things, deliver a service etc. Don’t assume people know – make sure they know. 5. Ask committee members what they want from the committee. 6. If people raise issues that should be dealt with in the normal reporting procedures, refer them to the relevant manager to sort out. If issues are being reported because reporting procedures are deficient, sort the reporting procedures out so day to day issues are resolved where they should be. Achieving an efficient reporting system may become the first item on an agenda if it is a problem. 7. Identify what each person thinks their role is as a prelude to getting common agreement about the objectives of the committee and each individual’s role in meeting those objectives. 8. State clearly what the objectives of the committee are. Brief and train committee members on main polices. [I have been in many safety committee meetings over the years: I have never been in a one where the main policy documents were available for reference despite it being clear on numerous occasions that several committee members were not aware of key policies including on some occasions, the chair of the meeting!!] 9. Train committee members to be committee members, with trying to meet the agreed committee objectives as an aspiration! 10. Get a decent budget or direct funding line so you don’t have to keep going cap in hand to budget holders. This allows the committee to support working groups, fund outside specialists, develop proactive ideas etc. 11. Ask each committee member to prepare a report about what they think the committee’s role is; how they view their role in the committee; and what are they looking to get out of it. Give them time to prepare it, offer help and support and then have one meeting for each to report back and use this as the basis for a discussion on ‘a new approach’. 12. You could do a work group type activity of splitting people up to consider the strengths/weaknesses of the current arrangements and how it could be improved. 13. Be creative about the agenda. Look for items that might be of interest that are outside the organisation but have relevance to the aspects of the committee's work. 14. Help establish a process where committee members take responsibility for action, with appropriate support. 15. Use small, resourced work groups to seek practical solutions to targeted problems. Get workers and supervisors involved with such groups. 16. Have an item on the agenda 'What improvements in health and safety have occurred since the last meeting'? 17. How does the work done since the last meeting help the organisation achieve its health and safety plan for the year? Is there a plan? 18. What progress has been made on the top 5, 4 whatever, H&S priorities/problems since the last meeting? 19. How can we do better than we are doing now? 20. Is there any organisation outside who can help us meet our objectives? Can we get someone in to inspire us? 21. How many workers have we actively engaged on health and safety and how is this measured? Do any of them know of the committee’s existence? 22. Why are we here? 23. Who is responsible for each action item and how do we ensure action is taken between meetings? 24. Does the board or most senior managers review committee meetings: not just the minutes but the effectiveness of the committee to meet its objectives. 25. Does anyone ever get thanked for doing something useful? 26. How are the issues of the committee effectively communicated to all the workforce?: observation – you tend not to be trampled on in the rush by massed workers desperate to read committee minutes when they are first put on the noticeboard. 27. Have a work programme – annual? – that is agreed by members, with priorities, responsible individuals identified and charged with delivering action. 28. Focus on key priorities. I once read the annual priorities of a company that – on reading the last one – added up to 102 items. No prioritisation there then!! 29. Have ‘visualisation’ boards in the meeting room or appropriate location so that actions are written down and progress regularly updated at fixed times so that progress between meetings can actually be monitored by all. Large plasma screens could be used to make it more visually appealing. 30. Be a ‘progress chaser’ in between meetings to those with responsibility for delivering action. 31. Use minutes to record key decisions and action to be taken by whom with deadlines. Do not be tempted to use them to rewrite War and Peace. Minutes should help the committee to meet with its objectives by offering a regular progress record of key items. If people outside of the committee need to know about an issue, communicate with them directly. 32 Use a cascading briefing system so that within a day or two of the meeting all key points are briefed directly to all workers in face to face meetings. In numerous communication surveys, face-to-face meetings are people's preferred option in receiving information. Sadly I have more but I need some sleep. If you would like further items please feel free to send me a message. Cheers. Nigel
A Kurdziel  
#11 Posted : 31 October 2011 14:22:55(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

We had a moribund H&S committee but we did several things to make it more useful. 1. A senior manager (director of operations) chairs the meeting. He is the lead. 2. We have clear terms of reference and an agenda which we stick to. This keeps the meeting to two hours every 3 months or so. 3. We do not allow any other business(AOB) at the end. Nobody is allowed to drop any bombshells etc. Only items on the agenda are up for discussion. 4. The agenda is published a fortnight before the meeting 5. Minutes are published two weeks after the meeting 6. Committe members are expected to attend unless they have a valid excuse (chairman to decide on validity) 7. We (H&S) have regular informal meetings( about once a month) with the TUS to deal with minor issues- the H&S committee is for strategic matters not for arguments why a particular light does not work. 8. Actions are assigned and reviewed. This makes meeting useful and effective. We no longer have an 8 hour whinge from certain people about who has failed where. Much better but it took several years to develop this system.
Irwin43241  
#12 Posted : 31 October 2011 14:49:42(UTC)
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NigelB wrote:
safetyman2010 I've been involved with many safety committees over many years in different organisations. As I'm a little tired I've offloaded things that have worked in different organisations or phrased questions that may act as a prompt. They are all mixed up and in no logical order. The questions are not directed to you specifically just prompters. Clearly you may already have some of the measures in place and some cover ground identified by other posts. Hope there is something that might help. 1. Have the most senior person in the organisation as the chair and the senior worker rep alternating the chair. 2. Persuade the most senior executive to publicly support the reps and state how important the role of the worker representative is in the company – written statements are helpful: set out the agreed role of the reps; identify what support the company will give them and what is expected of them; and ensure the legal rights to consultation etc are well understood by all managers. This should be agreed with the reps first!! 3. Convince the organisation it is in their interests to support worker reps with more than words – i.e. training, paid release to work jointly with managers and others to solve targeted problems. 4. Link joint manager/worker rep training to both health and safety plans – let them be part of the planning process? - and ensure all understand what the organisation is trying to achieve by its existence – producing things, deliver a service etc. Don’t assume people know – make sure they know. 5. Ask committee members what they want from the committee. 6. If people raise issues that should be dealt with in the normal reporting procedures, refer them to the relevant manager to sort out. If issues are being reported because reporting procedures are deficient, sort the reporting procedures out so day to day issues are resolved where they should be. Achieving an efficient reporting system may become the first item on an agenda if it is a problem. 7. Identify what each person thinks their role is as a prelude to getting common agreement about the objectives of the committee and each individual’s role in meeting those objectives. 8. State clearly what the objectives of the committee are. Brief and train committee members on main polices. [I have been in many safety committee meetings over the years: I have never been in a one where the main policy documents were available for reference despite it being clear on numerous occasions that several committee members were not aware of key policies including on some occasions, the chair of the meeting!!] 9. Train committee members to be committee members, with trying to meet the agreed committee objectives as an aspiration! 10. Get a decent budget or direct funding line so you don’t have to keep going cap in hand to budget holders. This allows the committee to support working groups, fund outside specialists, develop proactive ideas etc. 11. Ask each committee member to prepare a report about what they think the committee’s role is; how they view their role in the committee; and what are they looking to get out of it. Give them time to prepare it, offer help and support and then have one meeting for each to report back and use this as the basis for a discussion on ‘a new approach’. 12. You could do a work group type activity of splitting people up to consider the strengths/weaknesses of the current arrangements and how it could be improved. 13. Be creative about the agenda. Look for items that might be of interest that are outside the organisation but have relevance to the aspects of the committee's work. 14. Help establish a process where committee members take responsibility for action, with appropriate support. 15. Use small, resourced work groups to seek practical solutions to targeted problems. Get workers and supervisors involved with such groups. 16. Have an item on the agenda 'What improvements in health and safety have occurred since the last meeting'? 17. How does the work done since the last meeting help the organisation achieve its health and safety plan for the year? Is there a plan? 18. What progress has been made on the top 5, 4 whatever, H&S priorities/problems since the last meeting? 19. How can we do better than we are doing now? 20. Is there any organisation outside who can help us meet our objectives? Can we get someone in to inspire us? 21. How many workers have we actively engaged on health and safety and how is this measured? Do any of them know of the committee’s existence? 22. Why are we here? 23. Who is responsible for each action item and how do we ensure action is taken between meetings? 24. Does the board or most senior managers review committee meetings: not just the minutes but the effectiveness of the committee to meet its objectives. 25. Does anyone ever get thanked for doing something useful? 26. How are the issues of the committee effectively communicated to all the workforce?: observation – you tend not to be trampled on in the rush by massed workers desperate to read committee minutes when they are first put on the noticeboard. 27. Have a work programme – annual? – that is agreed by members, with priorities, responsible individuals identified and charged with delivering action. 28. Focus on key priorities. I once read the annual priorities of a company that – on reading the last one – added up to 102 items. No prioritisation there then!! 29. Have ‘visualisation’ boards in the meeting room or appropriate location so that actions are written down and progress regularly updated at fixed times so that progress between meetings can actually be monitored by all. Large plasma screens could be used to make it more visually appealing. 30. Be a ‘progress chaser’ in between meetings to those with responsibility for delivering action. 31. Use minutes to record key decisions and action to be taken by whom with deadlines. Do not be tempted to use them to rewrite War and Peace. Minutes should help the committee to meet with its objectives by offering a regular progress record of key items. If people outside of the committee need to know about an issue, communicate with them directly. 32 Use a cascading briefing system so that within a day or two of the meeting all key points are briefed directly to all workers in face to face meetings. In numerous communication surveys, face-to-face meetings are people's preferred option in receiving information. Sadly I have more but I need some sleep. If you would like further items please feel free to send me a message. Cheers. Nigel ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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