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PhilSmith1981  
#1 Posted : 05 October 2011 16:39:08(UTC)
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PhilSmith1981

Hi all, Following a recent local announcement that short skirts are to be banned from a local academy in December I would appreciate your comments/views as to the following article. http://www.bbc.co.uk/new...-england-humber-15178748 I look forward to your responses as to this article, having said that I can imagine what the majority of responses may be. Regards Phil.
pete48  
#2 Posted : 05 October 2011 16:43:28(UTC)
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pete48

If this has anything to do with safety at all, I would suggest that it is more about safeguarding of young people than workplace H&S. The "phrase "health & safety" being a very broad church in the eyes of the public, p48
MB1  
#3 Posted : 05 October 2011 16:53:31(UTC)
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MB1

Phil, What's a dress code got to do with H&S? The BBC is just as sensational as the rest of the tabloids and close to irresponsible reporting
Merv  
#4 Posted : 05 October 2011 17:58:30(UTC)
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Merv

I think this may be something about avoiding unnecessary distractions in the workplace. Is there a parallel ban on muscular boys wearing skimpy T-shirts ? Merv
johnmurray  
#5 Posted : 05 October 2011 18:36:18(UTC)
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johnmurray

I suppose, to be equal about it, short skirts should be banned for all sexes. Male, female, transexual, transgender and transvestite.
boblewis  
#6 Posted : 06 October 2011 09:08:13(UTC)
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boblewis

Hmmmm Is this simply discriminatory against female clothing. Male only apparel being allowed!!! Still to be totally equal men will need to be prepared to wear some items of womens apparel. I am talking as much rubbish as the school and the BBC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bob
MaxPayne  
#7 Posted : 06 October 2011 09:41:19(UTC)
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MaxPayne

Is it Friday already ??? Not a safety issue at all, but I'd prefer to see a ban on tattooed chav men swaggering up your typical highstreet with no shirt and there jeans halfway down the backsides. I'd vote for that :-)
boblewis  
#8 Posted : 06 October 2011 13:08:37(UTC)
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boblewis

Max Unfortunately have seen the female versions as well. Tosh Tosh and more tosh from the likes of our dear press and television Bob
Graham Bullough  
#9 Posted : 06 October 2011 14:04:52(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

I've tried several times to look at the webpage quoted by Phil and keep getting a page "Error 404 - Page not found". Even so, I suspect that if "health and safety" is being used as the reason for the ban, it's a misuse of OS&H. From a quick internet trawl it seems that a number of schools in different parts of the UK have similar bans. On a semi-jocular note about apparel which leaves legs exposed, have there been any bans on schoolboys or men wearing kilts?!!
gourock  
#10 Posted : 06 October 2011 14:22:38(UTC)
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gourock

Kilts are safe enough. Going "commando" in a kilt raises all sorts of OS&H issues.
kdrum  
#11 Posted : 06 October 2011 14:41:40(UTC)
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kdrum

Will be testing Graham's theory in Alicante next Tuesday when I watch Scotland hammer the World Champions and Gourock - I can't possibly comment on this forum. Must be with hols approaching I have that Friday feeling early ;-)
A Kurdziel  
#12 Posted : 06 October 2011 15:46:57(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Health n’ safety has now just become shorthand for any over officious reaction to anything, be it banning short skirts or banning the sale of unpasteurised cheese. It’s just lazy journalism.
Safety Smurf  
#13 Posted : 06 October 2011 16:00:50(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

The link is broken for me also so I can't read it. However, from what I can gleam, has nobody realised it's chuffin' cold in Humberside in December?!
PhilSmith1981  
#14 Posted : 06 October 2011 16:51:00(UTC)
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PhilSmith1981

Unfortunately it is rather cold all year round here! It is the same old same is it not? People with the responsibility of making decisions hiding behind the cloak of Health 'n Safety which when reported by the beloved journo's fuels the general public's pretty poor opinion of Health 'n Safety in the UK. Why can't the people who report on these stories challenge their rationale behind their decisions? Hay ho. Here's the link again for those who could not view. http://www.bbc.co.uk/new...-england-humber-15178748
Graham Bullough  
#15 Posted : 06 October 2011 19:11:35(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Phil - Thanks for the re-posting the link which worked for me and hopefully others this time. For those who haven't seen or remain unable to see the BBC webpage, the chief executive of an academy in North East Lincolnshire stated "There is a health and safety issue in this day and age with young ladies and very, very short skirts.". It's good to see that the webpage also reports Judith Hackitt of the HSE as saying: "This is one of the worst examples we've seen of health and safety being used in completely the wrong context" and "There is nothing in health and safety legislation that allows schools to ban hemlines that aren't to a school's liking." p.s. For the record, kilt hemlines should be just touching the tops of their wearers' knees. Too long or too short and they just don't look right. Thus, unlike (silly?) schoolgirls and their skirts, there's little chance of problems with blokes wearing very short kilts!
Graham Bullough  
#16 Posted : 31 October 2011 19:22:39(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

After my response on 6th Oct I had another thought regarding Judith Hackitt's reaction to the boss of the academy involved. However, I subsequently forgot about it until now. HSE's "Myth of Month" series on its website was quite different from other parts of the HSE website and some of us found the topics featured could be useful in our work. However, after some 40+ topics, it was understandable that HSE were having difficulty by late 2010 in identifying new topics to rebuff as myths. Thankfully, the Myth of the Month webpages remain available for perusal and use. However, there could well be scope for a new theme: "Wazzock of the Week"! In view of the topic thread on which this suggestion appears, there are no prizes for guessing which topic might have inspired it! Also, for those unfamiliar with the word, "wazzock" is a mildly derogatory term from Northern England (some claim Yorkshire) akin to 'nitwit' and similar expressions. In addition, as wazzock and week have the same initial letter, the phrase has a nice alliterative ring to it, rather like Myth of the Month. However, there could be some problems: Judging from the number of "elf n safety" stories which appear in the media, there are plenty of people eligible for the title - so actually making a choice each week might be difficult. Also, some checks would need to be made about the eligibility of short-listed nominees in order to avoid unfairly maligning anyone. In addition, though HSE press releases and other statements (e.g. by Judith Hackitt) tend not to shrink from criticising people, would HSE have the nerve to operate such a scheme? If not, are there any other organisations which might wish to do so, perhaps even IOSH?! On the plus side, such a scheme if developed might arouse interest from the media and hopefully play a part in helping people generally to distinguish between "elf n safety" and real OS&H. What do fellow forum users think? Among other things, is the suggestion itself wazzocky or is there some potential in it?
Canopener  
#17 Posted : 31 October 2011 20:23:14(UTC)
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Canopener

As an aside, quite some years ago while on holiday in Canada we visited a 'lumberjack' site to watch tree felling etc. There was a very strict rule that ladies (if I am allowed to use this term) weren't allowed to wear short skirts or otherwise 'revealing' clothing. I assume that the distraction might have led to someone 'snicking' his partners leg off or something similar. Something for those of you in the forestry sector to consider?!
barnaby  
#18 Posted : 01 November 2011 17:36:01(UTC)
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canopener wrote:
As an aside, quite some years ago while on holiday in Canada we visited a 'lumberjack' site to watch tree felling etc. There was a very strict rule that ladies (if I am allowed to use this term) weren't allowed to wear short skirts or otherwise 'revealing' clothing. I assume that the distraction might have led to someone 'snicking' his partners leg off or something similar. Something for those of you in the forestry sector to consider?!
Probably trying restore their macho image after: He cuts down trees. He skips and jumps. He likes to press wild flowers. He puts on women's clothing And hangs around in bars?!
Graham Bullough  
#19 Posted : 01 November 2011 18:21:05(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

I was intending to mention the Monty Python "Lumberjack" song after reading canopener's response, but Barnaby beat me to it. Assuming Canadian lumberjacks know of the song, presumably they aren't too impressed by its theme about a fictional transvestite lumberjack. Anyone got any thoughts yet, critical or otherwise, about "wazzock of the week"? Perhaps SHP magazine might consider taking it up! I remembered the suggestion last Friday, but decided against putting it on the forum that day in case it was misinterpreted as a piece of purely Fridayish frivolity.
martin1  
#20 Posted : 02 November 2011 14:54:06(UTC)
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martin1

I think women should be covered head to foot with just a little post box slit for their eyes. I wonder if any parts of the world have tried this?
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