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On my way home from checking on the night shift, The supermarket was open, and this was 1145pm, there were these drunks threatening the female staff, because they refused to sell them alcohol. The drunk went for the checkout operator, shouting and swearing, nobody stepped up to the mark to protect the staff, I said something to the guy, as the risk was high of the checkout operator being hurt, 15 min later the security guard and the police turned up. I don't think female staff should work late at night without some protection, what if the drunk had a knife,
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It's not as cut and dried as this - a lone working risk assessment should be carried out, this would ID the correct precautions.
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terry556 wrote: I don't think female staff should work late at night without some protection, what if the drunk had a knife,
Oh right, so if they were male staff that would have been alright because the drunks wouldn't have used a knife on them, or beat them up???
I'm not a feminist but I despair at some people's logic.
By the way, from my expereince, I think often the male staff member will be more at risk from violence than the female staff member.
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Clairel's right but you'd expect a swifter security response than that, wouldn't you?
S'pose they were engrossed in their puzzlebook.
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Can’t comment on the details of this incident but the HSE/LA have prosecuted retailers under Health and Safety at Work Act who have failed to protect their staff while working alone at night.
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Terry - It's possible that the supermarket did have training and procedures in place for the situation you described. Perhaps the checkout employee had been trained to first try and verbally de-fuse the drunken customers and, on finding that she wasn't having much effect, then decided to summon help, perhaps with a covert alarm button at the checkout.
As for the apparent delay in the police arriving, you don't know when they were summoned and whether or not they were engaged elsewhere at the time. With major financial cuts affecting police forces across the UK, it's likely that there will be some reduction in front-line officer numbers even though forces say that they will try to keep such reductions to a minimum.
Picking up Clairel's comments, I've heard it said from different sources that an experienced female police officer can be more effective at quelling a drunken disorder in a pub simply by using her voice than several male officers going in and using physical force. Apparently most men, even when drunk, are reluctant to physically attack a woman and/or tend to be more likely to respond to an authorative female voice than a male one. Though these seem to be reasonable explanations, it would be useful to know what others think and particularly if they have any proven psychological basis. Also, what measures do the Police and pub operators find best for quelling female drunks?!
The situation described is likely to be a very common one in late-night/all-night supermarkets throughout the UK, and it's likely that many of them will have appropriate measures in place. Are there any forum users with retail connections who can confirm or refute this supposition?
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I used to work for one of the major supermarket chains.
They used to teach the night staff kung fu.
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A friend of mine owns a pub and there was a female "bouncer" on the door for a few years.
She was a only about 5' 6" and slim build, and she had more success in diffusing any situations than her male counterparts- who all tended to be large with shaved heads.
Aside from her training in such situations, I would say that the protagonists were unwilling to have a go at a female, as soon as they saw her as door staff they calmed down.
Since then, on the occasions where there is trouble, the protagonists are not so willing to leave the establishment. Some have squared up to the door staff.
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The staff may have been trained on conflict handling which employs a SAFER / POPS dynamic risk model. Summoning help being the "F" in SAFER so there may well have been a panic button near the till point that was activited.
Only recently the lassie at one of our local supermarkets actually ran after and aprehended a guy who had nicked two bottles of whisky off the shelf. He handed them back when she roared at him then legged it to a round of applause from those watching! I'm guessing this was not what was in the company guidance documents but she was determined he wasn't getting the booze for free on her watch!!
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All big chain retailers will train (or should have) trained staff working any shift in conflict management. This is not just a problem in establishments which retail alcohol in late night premises.
Verbal and physical abuse of service sector staff is on the increase - it’s a wider problem in society - I mean anyone who can throw a brick at the fire service attending a fire or a police officer attending an incident!! Alas we see it all to often.
Its very difficult to get the balance of controls right for any specific store - whether that guards, panic devices and other measures but the fact it is if you want to make money at time of risk (late night retail) you can expect staff to be at risk then you need to protect them and find the controls that fit the situation.
As for any prosecution by an LA for this I'm not aware of any in retail for this particular - if any detail is available on that I'd be interested in a read.
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Melrose - Your tale reminds me of a scenario in another Scottish supermarket a few years ago when a youngish male customer took a trolley load of shopping to a checkout which was clearly marked '10 items or less'. When the checkout lassie politely pointed this out and suggested the customer went to another checkout, he started to demand loudly that she served him. Either he was a bit drunk, arrogant and/or trying to impress his girlfriend. The store manager arrived after hearing the commotion, asked the man to stop shouting and try another checkout, but to no avail. However, a pensioner friend (of my wife and I) was in the store at the time, also heard what was going on and decided to intervene, according to another family friend who witnessed what happened. She approached the man and said something like "Look at the sign you bawheid, can't you read?!" The man promptly fled, no doubt highly surprised and embarrassed by the unexpected intervention which resulted in applause from various other shoppers who were watching.
When my wife and I heard about the scenario, it didn't surprise us because we knew our friend Jean had been a captain in the Queen Alexandra's Royal Army Nursing Corps. With that background, including experience of the Korean War, there is little in life which fazes her, even though she is now over 80. When we later asked her if the story was true, she said it was and, not wanting to see some young pipsqueak berating people trying to do their job, used her voice to good effect. A satisfying story. Just hope there are plenty of other people like Jean around !
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