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Hi learned colleagues,
I'm sure this has been discussed before but when I tried a search, I got an "error in database notification. So please don't waste my time or yours suggesting I try a search.
We are looking to provide our managers/supervisors with some health and safety training to get a good base level across the company. Narrowed it down to IOSH Managing Safely or CIEH Level 3 in H&S in the Workplace. I've sat IOSH Managing Safely myself, but have no experience of the CIEH course so any opinions would be greatly appreciated for either camp.
Cheers
Tom
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Hi Tom,
How many staff are you looking at? either one would be a good ticket for managers and supers to have on their CV but they can be a bit too generic and try to please all of the all of the time. From my experience, managers and supers only want to know what effects then personally in their business in their establisment.
Do you have enough demand to get a training provider to deliver a tailored course limited to your own staff? If so, that's a good way to go.
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Can't speak for the CIEH but I just sat through the Managing Safely course, finished it last week with exam and assignment.
I could say that it was way beneath me as I am CMIOSH etc. but did find it excellent as a refresher and there are some twists, new to me, on the various topics covered.
I would recommend it as a starter for all managers who need some H&S input.
If you need a recognised certificate then tailored training may not be the right way to go, but if you need one to suit your organisation and IOSH doesn't fit the bill then go for it.
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After putting many staff through the courses mentioned I stopped because managers felt that to much emphasis was put on areas that did not apply nor were really relevant so they lost interest and only completed because they had to compelte. Bespoke courses were devised and things have got much better since then as managers now feel that their courses are fully relevant and see how they fit into their work so they take ownership
I have evaluated 100's of courses/training events over many years and found that on many many occasions large amounts of the course agenda could be left out. The problem being is that training organisations [who work very hard on the whole] need to charge for a day at a time so courses [in my personal view] are bulked up
Its up to you but a tick in a box type training event is not good enough for me as the course should achieve all that you expect it to achieve and if the attendees do not feel that an training event gives them what they want the event just become one of many such events and nobody benefits except the tick box
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Bob,
agree with what your saying I deliver the IOSH course for the company and although it is not bespoke the feed back has always been positive. I say not bespoke like all courses when you get to certain topics risk assessment, accident investigation, COSHH we use our own forms and policies so that mangers understand their role.
I like the materials for the course, but also use our own CCTV footage of accidents as I believe when you see one of your own colleagues getting hurt it drives the point home more effectively (I do get permission of all involved prior to using the footage).
I try not to buy into the tick box training, because as you point out no one benefits.
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I agree with Bob - I too over the years have put many people through IOSH MS and it is a good foundation course but never specific to my requirements - I appreciate that IOSH now taylor to industries but unfortunately not mine yet.
Develop the courses yourself all the info you need is there at hand - you maybe able to get them approved by an external body.
I got my approved by the ILM (Institute of Leadership and Management) as we are an accredited learning centre, so the delegates still get the qual.
Do you own it can be a big project but you will reap the rewards.
Darryl.
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