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jfw  
#1 Posted : 13 November 2011 18:44:47(UTC)
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jfw

This question always results in a difference of opinion. The new Machinery Directive states that the fixings must be retained, (in either the guard or the machine), so this bit is straight forward. What I find leads into debate is the requirement for a "tool" to be used to open them, which is mentioned in various standards that refer to guarding. These standards then go on to state that "the guard should not be easily defeated or bypassed" or words to that effect. I previously spent 20 years in manufacturing industry, in a mass production environment, where it was always stated that the fixings used must not be able to be opened with a commonly available tool such as a screw driver or hex key, as these are tools normally required to adjust equipment and their availability would fall foul of the easily defeated or bypassed requirement. In 2007 I changed jobs and found on my first day that I had inherrited a HSE Improvement Notice that had been issued between my interview and start date. Within the improvement notice was the statement that "current guarding is not properly attached" and "risk assessments were insufficient as not all hazards had been identified". In a meeting with the HSE inspector who issued the notice, they stated that the fixings did not comply as they been able to open them using a steel ruler and tools found on the machinery. I agreed with the inspector as it was in-line the practices I was used to, but the Production Manager questioned the notice as he had not been able to find anywhere in the various standards a list of tools that can or can not be used to open guard fixings. The HSE inspector then pointed us towards BS EN 1088 which contains Note 4, stating :- Typically "defeat in a reasonably foreseeable manner" can be an intentional attempt to defeat an interlocking device either manually or by using a readily available object. Readily available objects can be : - screws, needles, sheet-metal pieces - objects in daily use suck as keys, coins, adhesive tape, string and wire - spare actuators or spare keys for the trapped-key interlocking devices - tools required by the intended use of the machine or readily available tools (e.g. screwdrivers, wrenches, hexagonal keys and pliers) The HSE inspector went on to say that if we carried out thorough RA's as required by the improvement notice, that when it came to assessing the guarding, that if we ask the right questions, we will find ourselves referring to this note as the construction of the guards should be to the same standard as the interlocks fitted to the machine in terms of defeat and bypassing of them. So we did our RA's and replaced the fixings on the machines. I now find myself working for an OEM machinery builder. In meetings with the design engineers, I have stated what I believe to be the correct interpretation of selecting fittings that require a tool and can not be easily be defeated or bypassed. I have pointed them towards BS EN 1088, but because it is a standard that refers to interlocking, they say it does not apply to guarding. I have explained my experience on this subject and point to if the RA asks the question it will come up with the answer of complying with the note in BS EN 1088. The answer I am given to this is that the RA is wrong because it has incorrectly interpreted the standard and if it was the case, our competitors would be doing it. I would be interested to know forum members views on this.
smitch  
#2 Posted : 13 November 2011 20:33:14(UTC)
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smitch

Are we talking about the fasteners on the interlocks themselves or the fasteners on other fixed guards?
alistair.r.reid  
#3 Posted : 13 November 2011 20:36:26(UTC)
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alistair.r.reid

jfw It may be worth looking at; BS EN 953:1997+A1:2009 Safety of machinery. Guards - General requirements for the design and construction of fixed and movable guards 5.4.3 States that demountable parts of guards shall only be removable with the aid of a tool and 3.9 defines a tool as an implement such as a key or wrench designed to operate the fastner.
jfw  
#4 Posted : 13 November 2011 22:40:53(UTC)
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jfw

smitch wrote:
Are we talking about the fasteners on the interlocks themselves or the fasteners on other fixed guards?
I'm referring to fixings for guards that are removed for service of the equipment. They give acces to zones that can also be reached through interlocked covers. The interlocked covers are designed for normal operation and maintenance. The fixed guards to give more immeadiate access to areas specifically for servicing. The HSE inspectors view, of which the there was a senior and junior inspector, was that a correctly completed RA would result in the same level of protection against defeating or bypassing and therefore the same criteria for selecting fixings should be applied.
boblewis  
#5 Posted : 13 November 2011 22:42:30(UTC)
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boblewis

I have always taken tools to be anything found in proximity to the guard or in the general environment of the work area. Some take this to the limit by using at least some bolts or nuts of a type that require a special key while the remainder are standard - although this has problems of ensuring that these are regularly distributed around the fixing points. Major problems come with rulers, knives and adjustable wrenches as these can defeat many systems. Bob
jfw  
#6 Posted : 13 November 2011 23:02:36(UTC)
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jfw

alistair.r.reid wrote:
It may be worth looking at; BS EN 953:1997+A1:2009 Safety of machinery. Guards - General requirements for the design and construction of fixed and movable guards 5.4.3 States that demountable parts of guards shall only be removable with the aid of a tool and 3.9 defines a tool as an implement such as a key or wrench designed to operate the fastner.
I have looked at this and this was one of the points raised by the production manager at the time of the improvement notice. It is the same stance that a number of the engineers in my current company take. I agree, both key and a wrench are tools. However the main point related to not being able to easily defeat or bypass the guard, hence the reason for carefully selecting the fixing and the tool for opening it. The emphasis by the HSE was that a good RA would tell you if you had selected the right fixing for the guard. Therefore the notes in BS EN 1088 which lists readily available objects that could defeat a fixing would answer the question in a thorough RA according to the HSE. Also if you look at the PUWER regs, it states Regulation 11 (3) (e) states that guards should “not be easily bypassed or disabled”. The additional guidance that appears in appendix 2, point 18 of PUWER 98 on regulation 11 (3) (e), states “Guards and protection devices must be designed and installed so that they can not be easily bypassed or disabled. This refers to accidental or deliberate action that removes the protection offered. By regulation 11 (3) (a), guards must be suitable for their purpose, and one consequence of this is that simple mechanical bypassing or disabling should not be possible” Therefore the standards do not give you a definitive list of the types of fixings that you can or can not use, instead it appears to be left to interpretation. That interpretation comes through a RA and from what I have been advised by very senior HSE inspectors is that a correctly carried out RA will come to the conclusions in the Note 4 of BS EN 1088 for the selection of the fixings.
jfw  
#7 Posted : 13 November 2011 23:13:37(UTC)
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jfw

boblewis wrote:
I have always taken tools to be anything found in proximity to the guard or in the general environment of the work area. Some take this to the limit by using at least some bolts or nuts of a type that require a special key while the remainder are standard - although this has problems of ensuring that these are regularly distributed around the fixing points. Major problems come with rulers, knives and adjustable wrenches as these can defeat many systems. Bob
You appear to have spent your time in a similar environment to me Bob. Anything freely available in the vacinity of the equipment that can open a fixing on a guard means that the guard fails the easily defeatable / bypass test. Therefore it has to be a tool not freely available that can be managed. Just because a tool is required to open a fixing does not mean that the standard has been met, you also have to look at whether the fixing can be easily defeated or bypassed too.
Ron Hunter  
#8 Posted : 13 November 2011 23:37:39(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

IMHO the HSE Inspector was wrong to compare the defeating of interlocks with the specification for guard fixings. All a bit 'apples and oranges' for me. Yes, you could consider use of tamper-proof fixings, however if there is a requirement for that guard to be removed (i.e. something short of rivetted fixings) then someone, somewhere in the maintenance department will likely have the requisite tool. In that respect, the inspector's argument is ultimately self-defeating.
jfw  
#9 Posted : 13 November 2011 23:57:15(UTC)
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jfw

ron hunter wrote:
Yes, you could consider use of tamper-proof fixings, however if there is a requirement for that guard to be removed (i.e. something short of rivetted fixings) then someone, somewhere in the maintenance department will likely have the requisite tool. In that respect, the inspector's argument is ultimately self-defeating.
The argument is not about using tamper-proof fixings, its about preventing them being easily defeated or bypassed. A works engineer will need to access this area and will be issued with the correct tool and authorised to access the area. However, an operator must not be able to easily defeat or bypass it so must not have acces to the tool.
smitch  
#10 Posted : 14 November 2011 00:07:56(UTC)
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smitch

My opinion is also that as long as a fixed guard requires the use of a tool for removal, then it is compliant with the regs and relevant standards. IMHO and as stated; comparing the fixings used on interlocks to those used on fixed guards is wrong. If a fixed guard is removed for maintenance/servicing and a robust lock out tag out system is identified in the RA and used, then statutory requirements have been met. Have had this issue with a principal inspector and a very senior specialist and have had them agree (in the end) that the above mentioned is/was acceptable
smitch  
#11 Posted : 14 November 2011 08:57:01(UTC)
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smitch

It was late when I posted the above reply....Should have added.... Should you choose to use fixtures on fixed guards that are not easily opened (security screws etc), then of course that's great as it provides a belt and braces approach. But we should also remember that as you have stated the guards in question also allow access to other areas also covered by interlocked guards, then in my experience on older interlock fittings (such as the KLM mechanical switches) then fitters sometimes have the key/fitting necessary to bypass the interlock in their toolbox or on their key ring. So I say that its down to your own interpretation and RA to justify what you do, then should it go pear shaped use your RA to defend you chosen route and see if the enforcing body agree or not. They are human as well so of course different inspectors can have differing opinions on what is and isn't acceptable. This of course makes our role as safety professionals even more interesting/challenging.
Ron Hunter  
#12 Posted : 14 November 2011 12:26:02(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

You seem to miss my point about the HSE argument being self-defeating, jfw. I see smitch concurs with my p.o.v.
smitch  
#13 Posted : 14 November 2011 12:31:36(UTC)
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smitch

I do indeed Ron; and as stated have the enforcing authority take a step back from an initially heavy handed approach and see that our interpretation of the law, and therefore our R/A and associated SSOW were acceptable (albeit after some lengthy discussions). But as I also stated different inspectors have different expectations
Graham Bullough  
#14 Posted : 14 November 2011 13:03:05(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

In order to deter unauthorised removal/defeating of guards why not use padlocks (supplemented with chains if needed) and have the keys held by a suitably responsible person? This was suggested by an eminent lecturer in safety engineering to HSE trainee inspectors on the diploma course at Aston University in the late 1970s, and struck me at the time as a sensible pragmatic measure. Depending on the machine and the nature of the guarding involved, one or more padlocks can be used to either supplement or replace the existing fixing methods for the guarding. No doubt someone will respond to say that some padlocks can be picked. However, this possibility might be averted by using good quality padlocks. Also, if there is a need for guards on some machines to be removed/opened on a fairly regular basis, it's worth asking operators and engineers why and then considering measures to 1) reduce the need for such access and/or 2) modify the machine and/or guarding so that guards do not have to be removed/opened. This is especially the case with machines for which guards or guarding systems were made and fitted retrospectively, perhaps in a hurry to comply with HSE enforcement, and without sufficient attention to their design. One example of such a situation came to light during my HSE days when I investigated a serious incident at a concrete slab making plant. The guards for the various parts of the plant had been interlocked some years before in response to an Improvement Notice served by a previous HSE inspector. However, as this prevented access inside the large preliminary mixing hopper, the employees and managers had devised a way of getting an employee inside the hopper to clean it after all the mixing had been completed but without having to wait a considerable time, perhaps several hours, for the rest of the process to be completed. Unfortunately, one day while an employee was inside the mixing hopper, another employee operated the wrong button/switch on the control panel and set the mixer paddles in motion. Poor labelling of the controls may also have been a factor in this case. I think the employee inside the hopper suffered back injuries and may even have been permanently incapacitated. The case led to the firm being prosecuted and convicted. All of this could have been avoided by modifying the interlocking so that safe access could be had inside the mixing hopper (i.e. without any means of powering its paddles) while allowing the rest of the process 'downstream' to run. One incentive to clean the inside of the mixing hopper was probably the fact that the concrete residue in it and on the paddles was easier to remove just after the mixing phase had been completed than if it was left to partially harden. In retrospect, I wonder if the residue could have been dealt with using a water hose directed down through the mesh guard. However, I guess the firm might then have had problems disposing of the watery slurry produced by this method.
stillp  
#15 Posted : 15 November 2011 16:19:39(UTC)
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stillp

Graham Bullough wrote:
One example of such a situation came to light during my HSE days when I investigated a serious incident at a concrete slab making plant. The guards for the various parts of the plant had been interlocked some years before in response to an Improvement Notice served by a previous HSE inspector. However, as this prevented access inside the large preliminary mixing hopper, the employees and managers had devised a way of getting an employee inside the hopper to clean it after all the mixing had been completed but without having to wait a considerable time, perhaps several hours, for the rest of the process to be completed. Unfortunately, one day while an employee was inside the mixing hopper, another employee operated the wrong button/switch on the control panel and set the mixer paddles in motion. Poor labelling of the controls may also have been a factor in this case. I think the employee inside the hopper suffered back injuries and may even have been permanently incapacitated. The case led to the firm being prosecuted and convicted. All of this could have been avoided by modifying the interlocking so that safe access could be had inside the mixing hopper (i.e. without any means of powering its paddles) while allowing the rest of the process 'downstream' to run. One incentive to clean the inside of the mixing hopper was probably the fact that the concrete residue in it and on the paddles was easier to remove just after the mixing phase had been completed than if it was left to partially harden. In retrospect, I wonder if the residue could have been dealt with using a water hose directed down through the mesh guard. However, I guess the firm might then have had problems disposing of the watery slurry produced by this method.
Graham, I can't agree with your suggestion that the accident could have been avoided by modifying the interlocking "so that safe access could be had". There should have been a separate lockable isolator for the mixing hopper. BS EN 60204-1 states under "Devices for switching off for prevention of unexpected start-up" states that "Devices that do not fulfil the isolation function (for example a contactor switched off by a control circuit) may only be provided where intended to be used for situations that include: – inspections; – adjustments; – work on the electrical equipment where: - there is no hazard arising from electric shock (see Clause 6) and burn; - the switching off means remains effective throughout the work; - the work is of a minor nature (for example replacement of plug-in devices without disturbing existing wiring)".
Graham Bullough  
#16 Posted : 15 November 2011 16:56:47(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

stillp My comment yesterday about "modifying the interlocking" could encompass having a separate lockable isolator for the power to the paddles of the mixing hopper. I was writing a summary from memory about circumstances which occurred during the 1980s and not a detailed report on the interlocking system involved. The main gist of my comment was that if the hopper could not be cleaned after use from outside with a water hose, suitable interlocking could and should have been provided to ensure the safety of anyone going inside the hopper. My recollection is that the employees and managers were in the habit of temporarily stopping the whole process so that the interlocked hinged guard over the hopper could be opened to allow an employee to get inside and start cleaning. After that the guard was closed with the employee inside and enabled the rest of the process to be resumed in order to complete the day's batch of concrete slabs. Cheers Graham
stillp  
#17 Posted : 17 November 2011 11:48:50(UTC)
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stillp

Graham, Sorry for the delayed reply, I've been away from the office. Perhaps I'm being over-pedantic, but provision of a lockable isolator is not interlocking, unless the isolator cannot be closed with the guard opened, and even then would not be sufficient in this particular case. We seem to agree though that a lockable isolator was the correct solution. I saw a similar plant some time ago and I think the problem with simply using a water jet from outside the guard was that some parts of the mixing paddles weren't exposed to the water jet. The mind boggles at "the guard was closed with the employee inside". What goes through people's minds when they think that's acceptable?
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