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TTTWTW  
#1 Posted : 22 November 2011 20:21:06(UTC)
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TTTWTW

Sure I know the answer to this; however I’m hoping to be proven wrong. One of our drivers was checking the 5th wheel on one of our vehicles. This activity involved the driver bending over and looking under the trailer. The driver confirms they didn’t get underneath the vehicle and was not in contact with the vehicle (basically they were bending over). Whilst completing the above the driver felt their “back go”. The driver then went to hospital who suspect a muscle spasm in his back. The driver as now submitted a sick note for 2 weeks. The driver confirms he pulled a muscle in his back 10 years ago and is now cautious of his movements. Reportable or Not.
Canopener  
#2 Posted : 22 November 2011 20:23:32(UTC)
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Canopener

I suggest yes, it was in connection with work, and it does come under the definition of being over 3 days. I'm sure there'll be a contradictory view though!
ianjones  
#3 Posted : 22 November 2011 20:36:32(UTC)
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ianjones

i would agree and say yes for these reasons the injury was at work the acitivity was a work based activity the activity was a one that he would have been expected to do as part of his work duties the old manual handling injury is not relevant in disproving a riddor as not work related indeed with a previous manual handling injury, his training should be up to date and some competency checks or audits done on his stance and posture hope this helps Ian
HSSnail  
#4 Posted : 23 November 2011 08:21:24(UTC)
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HSSnail

It's reportable for me too. Just because you have to report something does not mean you are at fault - I don't think the HSE/LA will investigate this but that does not mean you should not report.
John J  
#5 Posted : 23 November 2011 10:10:55(UTC)
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John J

It's one of the annoying ones as there is, in reality, no meaningful thing you will change in the process to allow you to eliminate it. It's a RIDDOR >3day
Andrew W Walker  
#6 Posted : 23 November 2011 10:15:18(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

I had a similar incident a few years ago with my last employer. Reportable. One of the Managers disputed this, so I rang the helpline and they confirmed. Regards Andy
firesafety101  
#7 Posted : 23 November 2011 10:20:17(UTC)
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firesafety101

John J wrote:
It's one of the annoying ones as there is, in reality, no meaningful thing you will change in the process to allow you to eliminate it. It's a RIDDOR >3day
What was he checking for? To see if it is there - tyre pressure, tread depth etc. If this is something that only requires bending can it not be done using a mirror? One meaningful thing that can be done to prevent re occurrence?
colinreeves  
#8 Posted : 23 November 2011 14:01:35(UTC)
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colinreeves

ianjones wrote:
the old manual handling injury is not relevant in disproving a riddor as not work related indeed with a previous manual handling injury, his training should be up to date and some competency checks or audits done on his stance and posture
Original post did not advise as to whether the old injury had been notified to the employer - maybe no extra training was warranted owing to lack of knowledge of the need for it.
Safety Smurf  
#9 Posted : 23 November 2011 14:10:05(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Hmmmmm? Does nobody else think there is something slightly amiss with a ten year old muscle injury? Intavertabral disc injury maybe but 10 year old muscle injury? I suspect this is either a); a partial herniation, or b); a fib. The former being more likely in this instance. I managed it just getting into the car 6 months ago.
John J  
#10 Posted : 23 November 2011 20:48:59(UTC)
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John J

ChrisBurns wrote:
John J wrote:
It's one of the annoying ones as there is, in reality, no meaningful thing you will change in the process to allow you to eliminate it. It's a RIDDOR >3day
What was he checking for? To see if it is there - tyre pressure, tread depth etc. If this is something that only requires bending can it not be done using a mirror? One meaningful thing that can be done to prevent re occurrence?
Seriously Chris? The 5th wheel is checked to ensure the trailer is properly located, it involves bending slightly ( or not depending on height). Are you suggesting that every articulated lorry driver in this country carries a mirror?? Do you think they will use it? I feel another bootgate coming on....
TTTWTW  
#11 Posted : 23 November 2011 21:04:01(UTC)
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TTTWTW

Thanks for all posts, all all in agreement...must be 1st on here :)
Buzby888  
#12 Posted : 23 November 2011 21:24:29(UTC)
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Buzby888

Absolutely agree,definate RIDDOR.
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