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David T  
#1 Posted : 13 November 2011 05:57:32(UTC)
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David T

Hi everyone

Could anyone please inform me on the effectiveness of safety signs and notice boards? I seem to remember a paper stating that they are only 1% effective in getting the safety message over?

Can I have your comments please?

David T
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 13 November 2011 20:24:41(UTC)
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RayRapp

Hi David

I would love to know the method of measuring the effectiveness of safety signs - I suspect the 1% is an arbitrary figure plucked out of the ether. How effective, or ineffective signage is would surely depend on the type of signage and location. Some signage is needed regardless of its perceived effectiveness, such the HSE Law poster, whilst other signage may be of limited effect but still useful ie Mind your Head! Obviously an over reliance on warning signs can have a detrimental effect, also very often a picture is more effective than words.

There is a tendency amongst many companies to use health and safety posters ubiquitously so that they end up as wallpaper. I have always believed that less is more, otherwise it's a trees for the woods scenario.
JohnW  
#3 Posted : 13 November 2011 22:22:20(UTC)
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JohnW

Hi David, I tend to agree with Ray.

The persuasion of operators to wear PPE does not succeed just through mandatory signs and noticeboard posters, it must be emphasised through team meetings, safety observation walkabouts, supervisors and managers wearing PPE in same situation etc etc.

When it comes to machines like lathes, drills, saws, I usually put quite small mandatory eyewear signs and 'warning moving parts' signs 3" x 4" in a suitable location where they will stay clean but be seen. The main purpose is to remind operators of course, to help reduce injuries, but I say to gaffers that these signs being part of workshop safety awareness training may also help to protect the company by reducing fines for work injuries....

jfw  
#4 Posted : 13 November 2011 23:30:36(UTC)
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jfw

I've pinched my method from Weatherspoons. (If your male and have visited one of their establishments you will understand ! ).

I now post H&S info and also mix in some male health issues, which are fixed to the wall at head height above each urinal.

I change them every 5 or 6 weeks. I include current stats for the business, current HSE campaigns, examples of prosecutions similar to our business, the HSE myths of the month posters (even though they have stopped this the archive is still available), and anything else I think relevant.

It creates a response and gets people talking when there are several people all with the faces starring at a wall ! I know as I have been there when it happens and I have had comments about the content raised with me outside of the gents.

I do a similar thing with the ladies cubicles, posting the info on the back of the doors at a height it can be read when sitting.

smitch  
#5 Posted : 14 November 2011 09:14:26(UTC)
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smitch

Hi David

As Ray has stated not sure if you could easily determine the effectiveness of safety signs, as their effectiveness can of course be different for different people (individual hazard/risk perception etc etc).

But as also stated The safety Signs and Signals Regs require employers to provide specific safety signs whenever there is a risk that has not been avoided or controlled by other means such as engineering controls and safe systems of work. Where a safety sign would not help to reduce that risk, or where the risk is not significant, then there is no need to provide a sign.

For general safety information posters then I like to change these often; (as the site I work on has many different work areas I move them around and then take one or two out of circulation for a while and introduce new ones. I also introduce new signs relevant to any accident/incident that occurs. This regular changing of general information posters hopefully assists in stopping them just becoming wallpaper.

I also do not condone plastering all available wall space with posters, just a few in very obvious locations.

lwthesm  
#6 Posted : 14 November 2011 09:47:48(UTC)
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lwthesm

In addition to the specific safety signs that are required by law I also have a variety of notice boards in strategic places. They are brightly coloured and I try to change the eye catching notices at least once a fortnight. The greatest joy is seeing someone stop and have a look!

I tried notices in the lavatories but our cleaners got a bit upset - even though I'd laminated the signs to avoid anything nasty!

People do read the notice boards if they are eye catching enough and in places where people hang around.
Salis  
#7 Posted : 14 November 2011 10:14:27(UTC)
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Salis


I agree with JFW, the trick is to change them regular and to target issues that are relevant to your industry. Try creating your own bulletins, get the workforce to buy into these.
David T  
#8 Posted : 22 November 2011 20:02:06(UTC)
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David T

Hi all,

Many thanks for your replies, I've a challenge in trying to prevent members of the public walking into an area where large vehicles operate but I cannot install a auto gate or afford to man the area, so I've been asked to install safety warning notices to prevent access.

I'm not having much success as you can guess.

Regards
RayRapp  
#9 Posted : 22 November 2011 21:47:10(UTC)
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RayRapp

David

Warnings sign may not be sufficient in the scenario you have described. I suggest you need to consider other means for keeping unwary members of the public and large vehicles separated and as you have suggested.
bob youel  
#10 Posted : 23 November 2011 07:32:34(UTC)
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bob youel

D
If you ever get members of the public to obey any form of signage please let this site know how you have done it as you will make a fortune selling your formula and I wish you the best of luck with your attempt

NB: If these members of the public are on your land [especially if they are minors or vulnerable types or do nor read English [more signs needed?]] as against people being in a public place such as a bus station, park or the high street you probably need to do more than put up a notice

achrn  
#11 Posted : 23 November 2011 08:05:57(UTC)
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achrn

bob youel wrote:

If you ever get members of the public to obey any form of signage please let this site know how you have done it as you will make a fortune selling your formula and I wish you the best of luck with your attempt


It's an interesting one to look at worldwide. We did some work in a far overseas location which featured some critical systems/equipment designed by a Japanese organisation. Their initial plan was in essence that safety critical stuff in public areas would have a sign on it saying "don't touch this". They couldn't understand why we would want it to be in a locked cabinet and the cabinet fenced off. The assumption seemed to be "but we've put a sign on it saying don't touch, so no-one will touch it, so why do we need all that".

I exaggerate slightly, but not terribly much - the original design did have equipment that could have been accessed and 'adjusted' by any member of the public that felt like it
grim72  
#12 Posted : 23 November 2011 08:24:26(UTC)
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grim72

Just a suggestion (I've no idea how much more impact they would have) but you can get montion sensored signs that activate a voice message. It might have more impact than a standard sign that can be simply ignored (deliberately or not).

Found this one which might be an option?
http://www.securitysafet...g06rl04f5sm8i7mlq20&

I guess it would also depend on location (internal/external) and footfall etc as to how effective it might be.
walker  
#13 Posted : 23 November 2011 08:28:41(UTC)
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walker

quote=David T]Hi all,

Many thanks for your replies, I've a challenge in trying to prevent members of the public walking into an area where large vehicles operate but I cannot install a auto gate or afford to man the area, so I've been asked to install safety warning notices to prevent access.

I'm not having much success as you can guess.

Regards


Signs are low on the hierarchy of controls, as others say where the public is concerned they have even less effect. I hope you are aware of the consequences of not controlling the hazard of large vehicles when you know the public will access the area.
Sounds like an accident waiting to happen. The HSE will throw the book at you when it does.
There are lots of cases - one involving B&Q springs to mind.





bob youel  
#14 Posted : 23 November 2011 08:59:16(UTC)
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bob youel

When attempting to manage people especially the public you need to get into their heads especially in a foreign country

Signage on its own seems to work well in Japan; for example they had no CNC machine guards when I worked with them and could not understand the need for them as they just said to their staff 'do not put your hand in there' and the staff did not! [This is true!]

Signs are useless on their own in this country as people think differently and are much more independant
especially where the [bull headed?] public is concerned. Also remember that the HSE and almost all other similar agencies have no power or any other influence etc. whatsoever towards/over the public

Safety Smurf  
#15 Posted : 23 November 2011 09:27:13(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

walker wrote:
quote=David T]Hi all,

Many thanks for your replies, I've a challenge in trying to prevent members of the public walking into an area where large vehicles operate but I cannot install a auto gate or afford to man the area, so I've been asked to install safety warning notices to prevent access.

I'm not having much success as you can guess.

Regards


Signs are low on the hierarchy of controls, as others say where the public is concerned they have even less effect. I hope you are aware of the consequences of not controlling the hazard of large vehicles when you know the public will access the area.
Sounds like an accident waiting to happen. The HSE will throw the book at you when it does.
There are lots of cases - one involving B&Q springs to mind.








Hi Walker,

Can you please give me the details of the B&Q case.
firesafety101  
#16 Posted : 23 November 2011 09:50:07(UTC)
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firesafety101

jfw wrote:
I've pinched my method from Weatherspoons. (If your male and have visited one of their establishments you will understand ! ).

I now post H&S info and also mix in some male health issues, which are fixed to the wall at head height above each urinal.

I change them every 5 or 6 weeks. I include current stats for the business, current HSE campaigns, examples of prosecutions similar to our business, the HSE myths of the month posters (even though they have stopped this the archive is still available), and anything else I think relevant.

It creates a response and gets people talking when there are several people all with the faces starring at a wall ! I know as I have been there when it happens and I have had comments about the content raised with me outside of the gents.

I do a similar thing with the ladies cubicles, posting the info on the back of the doors at a height it can be read when sitting.



A further sign is required for this method "beware of wet feet" ha ha
walker  
#17 Posted : 23 November 2011 20:34:37(UTC)
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walker

Smurfy.
google it, you lazy sod! ;-)
Buzby888  
#18 Posted : 23 November 2011 21:49:36(UTC)
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Buzby888

You need to fence it off (Herras comes to mind) & make the signs more prominent. You (as you know) have a legal duty to segregate people from vehicles and if the worst happened you would be hung out to dry, Sec3.1 and all that.
So get your act together and segregate before it is too late, buiding sites (if this is one) should never be able to be accessed by the public and you will be liable.
Signs are not enough, physical barrier is required.
tester  
#19 Posted : 24 November 2011 07:04:45(UTC)
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tester

I act for Solicitors in respect of Slip injury claims. One of the first things I do (before the pendulum comes out of the case)when entering premises is to check for incriminatory signage. I was in Court 3 weeks ago and produced a very nice picture for the Judge - "Caution Slippery Surface", right next to the spot where the elderly lady went flying. A "straight cough" as the Police would say.

Case was done and dusted in 2 mins flat - lady got £7,500
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