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Lawlee45239  
#1 Posted : 29 November 2011 11:38:57(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

Hello again, RPE Face Fit Testing, do you all agree with it?
Kate  
#2 Posted : 29 November 2011 11:43:32(UTC)
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Kate

I've had someone fail a fit test, this means that had we not done the test and just allowed him to wear the RPE he would not have been protected. So yes I agree with it!
Lawlee45239  
#3 Posted : 29 November 2011 11:49:51(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

Kate wrote:
I've had someone fail a fit test, this means that had we not done the test and just allowed him to wear the RPE he would not have been protected. So yes I agree with it!
I do agree with it, its great that the operatives learn the correct use
don9366  
#4 Posted : 29 November 2011 12:23:10(UTC)
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don9366

mmm??? Disposable masks, half face masks, not quite reasonable for disposable as there are instructions in the box training in house by H&S team and then off they go (refresher every 6 mths ) but half face plus full, ok there is a bit more to just wearing and throwing away ,...Training a must
Lawlee45239  
#5 Posted : 29 November 2011 12:28:18(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

don9366 wrote:
mmm??? Disposable masks, half face masks, not quite reasonable for disposable as there are instructions in the box training in house by H&S team and then off they go (refresher every 6 mths ) but half face plus full, ok there is a bit more to just wearing and throwing away ,...Training a must
Disposalbe is required too, probably more used and misused than any other RPE
A Kurdziel  
#6 Posted : 29 November 2011 12:34:26(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

The simple fact is if RPE is not correctly fitted it is worthless. Remember if you are relying on RPE as a control it is the only thing protecting your staff from exposure to airborne hazardous substances. So yes you must test the RPE to make sure it is working, except when you are relying on a positive pressure type face hood. In that case, obviously there is no ‘face fit’ to test. The HSE expect you carry out face fit testing as part of your duty to ensure that the RPE is being worn correctly and actually working.
Lawlee45239  
#7 Posted : 29 November 2011 12:38:20(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

A Kurdziel wrote:
The simple fact is if RPE is not correctly fitted it is worthless. Remember if you are relying on RPE as a control it is the only thing protecting your staff from exposure to airborne hazardous substances. So yes you must test the RPE to make sure it is working, except when you are relying on a positive pressure type face hood. In that case, obviously there is no ‘face fit’ to test. The HSE expect you carry out face fit testing as part of your duty to ensure that the RPE is being worn correctly and actually working.
Yes, the only bit i dont like is the gain/loss of weight, facil hair/ no facial hair issues, you can be sure after xmas more training will be required after all the puddings!!!
Rhian Newton  
#8 Posted : 29 November 2011 13:38:49(UTC)
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Rhian Newton

Yes agree with face fit testing but what about "weekend stubble", can we ban it? Make them shave, Stop them growing beards? And as has already been said what about the weight we all put on after Christmas? Do we have to face fit everyone again?
Andrew Ramsey  
#9 Posted : 29 November 2011 15:24:25(UTC)
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Andrew Ramsey

Hi LawLee, Our Operators wear full face mask respirators for some tasks. I do their face fit test annually and I feel this qualifies the face fit check that they are instructed to carry out every time they don the mask. If they fail their personal check, they come back to me for review. So yes, I agree with fit testing as it "proves" both the mask and the operators competence in putting it on correctly. Andrew
descarte8  
#10 Posted : 30 November 2011 08:33:44(UTC)
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descarte8

Re post 4, disposable masks are used in asbestos sampling and a lot of non-licensable asbestos removal works, i think there should still be a requirement for face fit. But that aside, the main point of fit testing is the mask can give protection up to a certain multiplicative factor of the exposure limit, this level of protection is used to ensure adequate control of exposure where there is a reliance on RPE, if this level of protection is not gained due to poor fit, or level of protection is unknown, how could you argue it is protecting the individual sufficiently? Des
Captain Scarlet  
#11 Posted : 30 November 2011 11:49:47(UTC)
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Captain Scarlet

descarte8 wrote:
Re post 4, disposable masks are used in asbestos sampling and a lot of non-licensable asbestos removal works, i think there should still be a requirement for face fit. But that aside, the main point of fit testing is the mask can give protection up to a certain multiplicative factor of the exposure limit, this level of protection is used to ensure adequate control of exposure where there is a reliance on RPE, if this level of protection is not gained due to poor fit, or level of protection is unknown, how could you argue it is protecting the individual sufficiently? Des
Or... How can you argue it is ineffective?
Jane Blunt  
#12 Posted : 30 November 2011 12:00:55(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

I suggest you read paragraphs 150 and 151 of the ACOP to COSHH http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/l5.pdf and then look in more detail at the rest of COSHH.
redken  
#13 Posted : 30 November 2011 12:22:12(UTC)
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redken

Andrew Ramsey wrote:
Hi LawLee, Our Operators wear full face mask respirators for some tasks. I do their face fit test annually and I feel this qualifies the face fit check that they are instructed to carry out every time they don the mask. If they fail their personal check, they come back to me for review. So yes, I agree with fit testing as it "proves" both the mask and the operators competence in putting it on correctly. Andrew
Why do it annually? This is from the link provided by Jane: For a tight-fitting facepiece (filtering facepieces usually known as disposable masks, half and full-face masks) the initial selection should include fit testing to ensure the wearer has the correct device. Repeat fit testing will be needed when changing to a different model of RPE or a different sized facepiece or if there have been significant changes to the facial characteristics of the individual wearer, eg as a result of significant weight gain or weight loss or due to dentistry
Andrew Ramsey  
#14 Posted : 30 November 2011 13:51:05(UTC)
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Andrew Ramsey

Hi redken, We do it annually to close a gap in competency. When I started at the site I now work at they had never done any fit testing. The majority of the operators had been issued RPE without any induction training, so were not even aware of what the fit check was, let alone know how to do it. The plan is to continue to use the annual fit test as an opportunity for refresher training until the training gap is closed.
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