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Hi all,
I am looking for some advice really as i am getting seriously concerned with the quality and experience of safety personnel in aviation.
I am currently doing the NEBOSH Dip to gain a greater understanding of Safety overall adding to this the experience gained from working in Health and Safety as a day job.
However i am now working in aviation and deal with Aviation Safety Directors for major airlines, Regulators, Airports and ATC and i am stunned to say the least the lack of safety experience and qualifications and general understanding of the subject.
IOSH and NEBOSH don’t exist in aviation but if you have been a pilot, operations manager etc. you are an expert in safety/human factors, risk and SMS systems.
I just wanted to know if IOSH were going to introduce a standard like they have for oil and gas etc. as i am appalled at the level of service we have received when our company has hired these so called safety experts which in fact don’t even know the basics to a risk assessment let alone anything else.
They make a mockery of the genuine safety professionals out there who knows what they’re doing.
Has anyone else experienced this sort of thing in their professional industry?
Thanks
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Hi pilotmike737 I think you will need to differentiate between the different types of safety within aviation. In my opinion, those working within the 'Flight Safety' remits may not have Occupational H&S experience e.g IOSH but would have the relevant experience/qualifications for that role. Particularly if that role is a 'post holder' that is required to be approved by the CAA. in my experience, most of the people I know in the industry dealing with the general occupational health and safety (e.g. those areas that would come under the HSE), normally have the relevant H&S qualifications NEBOSH, British Safety Council etc. You may be interested to know that the Aviation and Aerospace Group has been working on a project with a training company to develop an aviation specific IOSH Managing Safely course. You can view the article at this link: http://www.iosh.co.uk/gr...ctor_specific_manag.aspx Brgds Rod AAG Web Champion
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PilotMike 737, If you have a specific problem you would like to highlight, I would be glad to give you some of my 35+ years experience in aviation, both civil & military, manned & Unmanned. pm me if you wish. I would like to get IOSH to expand on the already very useful CD on Airside Safety which was released last year. Get a copy from IOSH.
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pilotmike737 wrote:Hi all, IOSH and NEBOSH don’t exist in aviation but if you have been a pilot, operations manager etc. you are an expert in safety/human factors, risk and SMS systems.
I take it this is meant as an ironic statement?
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PilotMike 737, If you have a specific problem you would like to highlight, I would be glad to give you some of my 35+ years experience in aviation, both civil & military, manned & Unmanned. pm me if you wish. I would like to get IOSH to expand on the already very useful CD on Airside Safety which was released last year. Get a copy from IOSH.
I agree with townshend. I can only speak for my own 34 years in aviation, but safety has always been high on the agenda.
IOSH and NEBOSH don’t exist in aviation but if you have been a pilot, operations manager etc. you are an expert in safety/human factors, risk and SMS systems.
Rather a bold statement and not one that I don't agree with, Human Factors training for example plays a major role in Aircraft Handling, Engineering and Maintenance, in fact its a compulsary certificate obtainable after attending a 2 day Human Factors course, which is a renewable event with refresher training every 2 years to stay current. IOSH has made major contributions to safety in aviation with it's "Airside Safety" DVD as someone mentioned before. I think you need to be more specific if you have witnessed or experienced lapses in safety that have caused you serious concerns in aviation.
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Pilotmike, You mentioned that IOSH have introduced a 'standard for oil & gas'. As a member of IOSH Offshore Group committee, I'm not sure what you mean. If you are referring to the NEBOSH Certificate, you should know that, though some members of IOSH Major Hazards Group contributed to an early draft of the syllabus, expertise from Offshore Group members was never requsted by NEBOSH, which as an organisation has not been formally linked to IOSH to a significant extent for a long time.
Also, if you read their publicity for the Oil & Gas Technical Certificate qualification, you'll see that (along with their other Certificate-level qualifications), it's not really intended as a qualification for full-time OSH advisors. Unfortunately many employers still don't realise that.
As you'll be aware, there are more IOSH members who are very competent in terminal and airside OSH matters than actual flying. However you will find other colleagues with a similar background to yourself - as I did when I was preparing to give evidence to Lord Cullen for the Ladbroke Grove public inquiry on behalf of IOSH. One element of my evidence was that it would not be a great idea to set up the equivalent of AAIB for the rail sector, as some in the rail sector were then advocating. I used my own experience of major hazards sectors, plus very useful data from colleagues with aviation sector insights, and Lord Cullen was persuaded not to the split accident investigation role from wider regulatory and enforcement activities when the rail sector was changed to a 'permissioning regime'.
All this was long before we had our lively Aviation & Aerospace Group, who are now a great way to network with those IOSH members who, like yourself, aim to provide competent advice for the sector.
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