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RayRapp  
#1 Posted : 06 December 2011 11:23:00(UTC)
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RayRapp

I did post these comments on a previous thread but suspect they got lost in the fog of another lively debate. So, I think they are worth another bash. According to my research obtained via HSE statistics, major injuries for W@H have NOT reduced since the introduction of the W@H Regulations 2005. Indeed, if anything they have slightly increased. In 2003/04 there were 30 666 major injuries, which 13% (3 884) were attributable to falls from height. In 2010/11 there were 24 726 major injuries, which 16% (3 956) were attributable to falls from height. Could be a case of lies, damned lies and statistics. However, if the stats back up, is there a compelling case for a review of the W@H Regulations? Ray
walker  
#2 Posted : 06 December 2011 11:34:35(UTC)
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walker

Ray When the WaH regs were drafted & then enacted (wrong phrase), I did a gap analysis and decided there was little my company needed to do. From what I remember most of us were applying most of what was in the regs prior to them existing. Does this explain why there was no dramatic change? And just to leap back on my old hobby horse: the WaH regs came out just after HSE lost the plot and started to cut back on inspectors.
redken  
#3 Posted : 06 December 2011 11:50:40(UTC)
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redken

walker wrote:
When the WaH regs were drafted & then enacted (wrong phrase), I did a gap analysis and decided there was little my company needed to do. .
I was taught( RoSPA 1987) that effective legislation was that which underpinned established good practice
RayRapp  
#4 Posted : 06 December 2011 12:09:05(UTC)
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RayRapp

'I was taught( RoSPA 1987) that effective legislation was that which underpinned established good practice.' That is a good point Ken and Walker. Presumably those companies who did not use good practice prior to the W@H regs it made no difference. I wonder if they still continue to ignore good practice the regulations?
walker  
#5 Posted : 06 December 2011 12:13:44(UTC)
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walker

Judging by the weekly death toll & HSE reactive court cases I guess thats true
DNW  
#6 Posted : 06 December 2011 12:18:26(UTC)
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DNW

Could the difference in the figures be related to the 2 metre rule, wherby anyone falling from a height below 2 metres wasn't recorded as a fall from height in 2003/2004. Just a thought.
Ron Hunter  
#7 Posted : 06 December 2011 12:19:19(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

something less than 2% shift in injuries (recorded and reported that is!) attributable to falls from height. Perhaps noise-level stuff in the grand scheme of things when other variables of employment levels etc. are taken into account. On a wider note, why should an increase in injury (presumably from poor compliance) be the fault of the Regulations themselves? I always maintain that the law is essentially for lawyers, and compliance needs good guidance, communication and commitment to suceed. In this particular case, as others state, the law only reflects accepted good practice. We wouldn't want a Regulation (Z)(2)(iii) prohibiting standing on chairs would we?
RayRapp  
#8 Posted : 06 December 2011 19:47:05(UTC)
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RayRapp

Could the difference in the figures be related to the 2 metre rule, whereby anyone falling from a height below 2 metres wasn't recorded as a fall from height in 2003/2004. Just a thought.' Mmm...I would not have thought so. The 2 metre 'rule' was only some spurious guidance and not written in legislation I recall. 'In this particular case, as others state, the law only reflects accepted good practice. We wouldn't want a Regulation (Z)(2)(iii) prohibiting standing on chairs would we?' Good point Ron, playing Devil's advocate, is the banning of ladders and step ladders also good practice and should be legislated? A few years ago I was asked by our DC to remove the fluorescent lights above his desk because the reflectors were giving him a headache. So when he left to go home I asked an engineer to do the task. He asked if it was ok to stand on the desk and remove the starters. I cried "good grief, no it is not...wait 5 minutes until I've gone home". ;-)
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