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Steve Emery  
#1 Posted : 06 December 2011 15:02:33(UTC)
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Steve Emery

I am trying to understand the definition of construction work under CDM in relation to the works my company carries out. This is mainly the decontamination of structures and equipment (fixed and portable) following fire or floods. Any help would be appreciated and if it could be linked to the definitions a-e under the regulations that would be a massive aid. Additionally to this I was going to phone the HSE and ask for their guidance but can not find the telephone number on there website for any of their offices, can anyone shed any light on this? Kind Regards
Stedman  
#2 Posted : 06 December 2011 15:56:02(UTC)
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Stedman

Download the CDM ACOP from http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/books/l144.htm and paragraph 13 & 14 of this document will help you. Also have a look at regulation 2
Steve Emery  
#3 Posted : 06 December 2011 16:29:57(UTC)
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Steve Emery

I have both of them and i have recently been on a CDM-C management course. The problem i have is the type of work we undertake does not fall squarely in the definitions and is open to interpretation.
JimMaccall  
#4 Posted : 06 December 2011 18:59:42(UTC)
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JimMaccall

Best definition Steve is from the following book: CDM 2007 Questions & Answers - Pat Perry ISBN: 978-0-7506-8708-9 well worth buying, I have it as a back up as I regularly get asked questions that make me wonder. I reckon your guys would be included if they use cleaning equipment that is high pressure / corrosive or abrasive as per first paragraph below. To help me remember, I will put the lot, verbatim. Sure it will help my little brain. Definition if you don't mind reading all the following is: the carrying out of building, civil engineering or engineering construction work. The definition includes: The construction, alteration, conversion, fitting out, commissioning, renovation, repair, upkeep, redecoration or other maintenance (including cleaning which involves the use of water or an abrasive at high pressure or the use of substances classified as toxic or corrosive) de-commissioning, demolition or dismantling of a structure. The preparation for an intended structure, including site clearance, exploration, investigation (but not site survey), excavation, laying and installing the foundations of a structure. The removal of a structure or part of a structure or any product or waste resulting from demolition or dismantling of a structure or from the disassembly of pre-fabricated elements which, immediately before disassembly, formed a structure. The installation, commissioning, maintenance repair or removal of mechanical, electrical, gas, compressed air, hydraulic, telecommunications, computer or similar services which are normally fixed within or to a structure. Love it!
JimMaccall  
#5 Posted : 06 December 2011 19:04:53(UTC)
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JimMaccall

Forgot to say, it more than likely is "construction" but I doubt it would be notifiable as although having dehumidifiers running for weeks would take the job over 30 days, the "construction" element of the work will be as long as it takes to use the cleaning equipment / setup and breakdown. So, welfare, site security and ensuring competence of all appointees will be key for the duty holders.
bob youel  
#6 Posted : 07 December 2011 08:00:42(UTC)
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bob youel

It does not really matter as all the other laws apply anyway so good management systems are still needed irrespective As for obtaining a telephone number for the HSE where you can actually talk to somebody - Best of luck in your quest as even my old contact numbers have gone dead recently! Remember knowledge is power so removing the average persons knowledge removes their power
Tomkins26432  
#7 Posted : 07 December 2011 08:49:45(UTC)
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Tomkins26432

Just in support of Bob here..... I'm at a Wildlife Trust, if we plant a tree it's not CDM, if we dig a hole big enough to plant 2 trees, it's CDM. We don't need to notify but we need to meet CDM requirements, which at it's most basic (as in planting 2 trees) results in needing to assure yourself that the person that asked for the planting to be done, the person that planned the planting and the person undertaking the planting were competent to do their bit. Applying CDM methodology to lots of work really helps clarify this for people. Keith
SP900308  
#8 Posted : 07 December 2011 08:58:15(UTC)
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SP900308

Steve, Rather than the HSE, why not try the APS! Simon
Stedman  
#9 Posted : 07 December 2011 09:40:14(UTC)
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Stedman

Steve, If decontamination means that your company is just cleaning up smoke damage, then I would not regard this as construction, however if it is undertaking any soft stripping operation then I would regard this as construction. If we take one step back and take the CDM regulations out of the equation, before your organisation starts any clean up work I suspect that it always undertakes a structural and asbestos survey anyway.
boblewis  
#10 Posted : 07 December 2011 11:04:13(UTC)
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boblewis

Of course if it is construction work then the actual project commences when the removal of damaged material commences and extends throughout the de-humidification stage and ends once the damage is repaired/refurbished. Consequently from the client perspective the project is notifiable and it is HIS perspective that is the controlling factor and not the contractor's. Perhaps you need to review what you have been doing in this work especially as it potentially is insurance based. Stedman's comments are thus very pertinent especially wrt CAR 2006 Bob
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