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Sharon Wooller  
#1 Posted : 07 December 2011 15:08:28(UTC)
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Sharon Wooller

Can anyone help? Does anyone have any information which relates to the recommended temperatures for mixer taps. Our monthly tap temperature testing records are recording temperatures around 40 -45 degrees. These taps are in our disabled toilets so they are designed for ease of use by someone who may have dexterity issues (you push the tap one way until it flows at the temperature the user would be comfortable with). If there is no clear guidance what would be considered appropriate? I have tried looking in L8 and perhaps just cant see it for looking but I also need to know if there is any requirement for us to have to monitor the temperature of the water when it enters the tank and whilst it is stored in the tank - our legionella risk assessment alludes that this is what we need to do! We record monthly our tap temperatures taking the reading once the taps have run for the required time; we are also flushing and running infrequently used outlets on a weekly basis. Many thanks Sharon
SBH  
#2 Posted : 07 December 2011 15:17:37(UTC)
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SBH

42 degrees + or - one in areas accessible by persons requiring assistance / care. The temps at the tank are usually well in access of 42 degrees and are brought down via thermostatic valves SBH
Sharon Wooller  
#3 Posted : 07 December 2011 15:18:56(UTC)
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Sharon Wooller

Hi SBH - thank you so much, do you have a doument reference I can use in my audit report? Thanks Sharon
holmezy  
#4 Posted : 07 December 2011 15:31:15(UTC)
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holmezy

Sharon, re your mixer taps, I assume that you have queries in relation to the control of Legionella? The taps in your disabled ( now referred to as accessable, by the way) will almost certainly be fitted with a Thermostatic Mixing valve. It may be integral to the tap, or it may be a seperate unit. This TM valve will have a set temperature that it delivers water at and may or may not be adjustable. Your TMV sounds like its set around 43 degrees which seems acceptable. When you are taking the temps, you need to establish the temp of the water as it enters the TMV using a surface probe oh the pipe immediately before the valve (not on the valve). The temps should be in line with L8, ie less than 20 cold, over 50 hot within the timescales. Most TMV'S (not all) require a 10 degree (approx) difference to operate, ie if you want 43 degrees out of the tap, you need 53 going in. You also need maintain and check that the TMV (assuming its a TMV2 OR 3) works correctly and the safety shut offs work, ie if cold water fails, the hot should stop to prevent scalding risk, and if the hot fails, then the cold should stop also. There are also recommended distances from the supply to the TMV and then from the TMV to the outlet that shouldnt be exceeded (3m and 2m generally, but 2m and 1m in healthcare). Now for the hard bit, you have to find the TMV! It may be under the sink, in a cupboard or if you are really unlucky hidden away in the ducting behind a fixed panel (which is usually the reason that TMV's arent maintained!). Holmezy If you want anymore info, drop me a pm? Or post again!
holmezy  
#5 Posted : 07 December 2011 15:40:40(UTC)
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holmezy

Sharron, re the temp if the water in the cistern, it should be stored below 20 degrees. If you have good insulation, good circulation, right amount of storage this should be achievable. The temp of the water entering the cistern (tank) can be delivered at upto 25 degrees but once you have it, its your problem and should be below 20 degs at the inlet and outlet. The inlet and outlet should be at opposite ends to ensure good flow, and reduce the possibility of stagnant areas or build up of sediment. There is lots of guidance out there, WRAS water regs guidance, BS6700, BS8580, CIBSE guidance, IPEH guidance, HTM040, etc. One more thing, the requirement is to provide accessible toilets, not "disabled" toilets. If they are called "disabled" then they tend to be "little used" and require weekly flushing, if they are "accessible" to all, then they get used more often and usually don't need to be on the weekly flushing regime. If you notice in a lot of the supermarkets, they have renamed their "disabled" to "disabled / mother and baby changing" rooms so that they get used? Holmezy
chris.packham  
#6 Posted : 07 December 2011 15:54:37(UTC)
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chris.packham

Fom a dermatological viewpoint the temperature of the water used for handwashing should not exceed 40 deg. C. There is evidence (Berardesca E, Vignoli G P, Distante F, Brizzi P, Rabbiosi G, Effects of water temperature on surfactant-induced skin irritation, Contact Dermatitis, 1995, 32, 83-87) that washing in water in excess of this will have an adverse effect on the skin's barrier properties and render it more susceptible to damage from contact with irritants (and consequently more susceptible to sensitisation). According to work done by the late Prof. B Forslind, Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm (personal communication) the ideal temperature is just 32 deg C. Chris
Ron Hunter  
#7 Posted : 07 December 2011 16:20:17(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

National Health Service Model Enineering Specifications D 08 "Thermostatic Mixing Valves (Healthcare Premises)" is one authoritative reference for model temperatures. Worth a Google, or PM me.
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