We have recently had our passenger lift serviced which is generally used for x1 disabled person x2 a week and more in the main shifting furniture from one floor to another. As a result of the service we have received the following: Recommended Works: DDA 2004 Alarm Auto Dial To provide direct communication in the event of the lift alarm push being pressed, we are able to offer an automatic dialing system with a choice of three telephone numbers which is activated on the pressing of the alarm push and offers passengers direct communication with either the lift company, the emergency services or an internal number. All works will be included except the provision and maintenance of a direct dedicated phone line in the machine room which is the responsibility of the customer. Our costs to undertake this work will be £ 1080.00 excluding VAT Safety Edges on Doors The existing safety edges require replacement. At present the doors require positive contact before re-opening. This can be very disturbing for elderly and disabled users. We recommend the fitting of modern, electronic safety edges designed to sense obstructions and re-open the door prior to contact, ensuring optimum passenger protection and safe operation of the lift door system. Our costs to undertake this work will be £ 900.00 excluding VAT Question 1: How much is there of a need to install these updates - any legislation that requires it bearing in mind the very limited usage the lift receives by humans? Question 2: Being aware of The Health & Safety at Work Act 1974, PUWER (Provision and Use of Work Equipment Regulations) 1998, LOLER (Lifting Operations and Lifting Equipment Regulations 1998, Construction (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1996 and the Machinery Regulations, (as provided as part of this service report) does anyone have an electronic copy of BS 7255 Safe Working on Lifts, which I could view please to determine whether the above MUST be installed or with continued servicing we could continue the current statues quo? Thanks for any feedback and enlightenment. Badger Question 2:

Sean In general I agree with your comments but this lift is lifting people so its LOLAR examinations - which I assume is what you are alluding to- should be 6 monthly and the inspection should be by a competent person. Yes often the insurance company will insist they do this as part of the insurance requirements buts its nor an actual legal requirement that the insurance co does it.

Sean /Brian , thanks both for your replys. Our lift is serviced 4x a year and has the 'old type' door sensors, plus old ding-a-ling alarm bell, so as Sean indicates they are after extra work from us, which confirms my thoughts. Thanks again. Badger

They were wrong about the DDA regs so U must then question what else were they wrong about and the law quoted 'The Health & Safety at Work Act 1974' also does not exist nor has it ever existed in the UK,

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CJC as given earlier ... 'Our lift is serviced 4x a year and has the 'old type' door sensors, plus old ding-a-ling alarm bell', plus a live risk assmt whist conducted at the east mids distrct meeting: additional work not reqd, write up risk assmt and source evac training. Job done. Badger

Barrie I am firing very much from the hip before nipping out to lunch, and I (obviously) aren‘t at work and have the records or correspondence to hand. However, we has a similar experience some years ago where our lift company were making numerous recommendations, for which they would of course carry out the subsequent works. Nearly every time they seemed to be adding additional recommendations to an ever increasing list of jobs and ever increasing costs. So, I sat down with the facilities manager and we dug a little deeper, looked at the industry guidance and even used an dependant lift engineer to comment. I think it would be fair to say that the company we were using were engaged in a little bit of ’sharp practice’ for the purposes of generating work/income. When we subsequently sat down with them and ’challenged’ their frequency of visits, various recommendations etc, they were, to say the least, rather ’sheepish’. I can say that coming out of the other end of that, we had significantly reduced our costs. I get the sneaky feeling that similar practices might be relatively widespread within the industry, in the same way as the fire safety industry has in the past recommended the proliferation of fire extinguishers. It generates Sales and repeat business. So, I don't know whether they are offering 'good' advice or not, and Bob may be on the right track, but my previous experience of this suggests that SOME recommendations may not be strictly necessary and might be more geared towards income generation. It's a jungle out there!