Welcome Guest! The IOSH forums are a free resource to both members and non-members. Login or register to use them

Postings made by forum users are personal opinions. IOSH is not responsible for the content or accuracy of any of the information contained in forum postings. Please carefully consider any advice you receive.

Notification

Icon
Error

Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
MrsBlue  
#1 Posted : 12 December 2011 08:46:36(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Guest

My kids went to a school disco Saturday night and came home deaf - they still have slight ringing in the ears this morning. This prompted me to have a look at noise level exposure limits.

What does this mean in laymans terms:

(1) The lower exposure action values are—
(a) a daily or weekly personal noise exposure of 80 dB (A-weighted); and
(b) a peak sound pressure of 135 dB (C-weighted).

Whats (A-weighted mean)?
Whats (C- weighted mean)?

How does the law apply at discos particularly for children under the age of 18 who go of their own free will and for school staff working during the 4 hours the disco ran for?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Rich


PIKEMAN  
#2 Posted : 12 December 2011 09:26:03(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
PIKEMAN

"A" weighting relates to the frequencies for normal huma hearing range, "C" weighting is for peak noise levels eg a sudden loud noise.

Note that the regs from which you quote are the "control of noise at work" regs which do not apply as such to non employees such as kids. It might be applied to the staff, though

I would not worry too much - the Exposure action levels are about 8 hr and 40 hr everaged expsoure. It would seem unlikely that their hearing could be damaged.

I would however have some frank discussions with the school - a good sound engineer or DJ won't have the noise levels too high and should even measure the dBs to ensure it's OK. Hope this helps.
xRockape  
#3 Posted : 12 December 2011 09:50:43(UTC)
Rank: Forum user
xRockape

Have a look at HSG 260 "Sound Advice"
chas  
#4 Posted : 12 December 2011 09:59:25(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
chas

Have a look at the BBC guide for musicians (see link below), whilst it is primarily aimed at those in the music industry it does have some good guidance and advice about hearing and hearing loss expressed in laymans terms that I found both interesting and easy to understand. It should answer your question. Hope this helps....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/saf...n_noise_guide_Part_I.pdf
Guru  
#5 Posted : 12 December 2011 10:14:28(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
Guru

Good advice so far, and as Pikeman has pointed out, the control of noise at work regs only concerns itself with people at work so therfore parents and children would not be covered.

However, under the Health and Safety at Work Act the school still has duty of care to take action if noise creates a risk to people other than workers, and where people are likely to be exposed to noise risk by the disco, they need to do what is reasonably practicable to safeguard their health and safety.

Back to the old chestnut of whats reasonably practicable for whats generally a noisy activity.

Things to consider?

Adjust the volume to a sensible level (so you can hear the fire alarm)?
Prevent children from standing directly in front of the speakers?
Keep the exposure time to a minimum?
Have a quiet area for children to go to?

My 2p worth.


jamieclews  
#6 Posted : 12 December 2011 11:28:01(UTC)
Rank: New forum user
jamieclews

I suppose the fact that Children can detect a wider frequency band that adults (We lose some frequencies as we grow older) could be a contributing factor here that may not have been taken into consideration during the planning of the "School Disco". I would assume that the industry guidance would cover this peer reviewed area of medical acoustics.

Hope this helps.

Regards, Jamie Clews.
MrsBlue  
#7 Posted : 12 December 2011 13:57:11(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Guest

Thanks to all of you who have answered my original post - all good stuff.

Merry Xmas to all and a happy new year.

Rich
teh_boy  
#8 Posted : 13 December 2011 08:52:57(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
teh_boy

Have a listen too the HSE audio demo -

http://www.hse.gov.uk/noise/demonstration.htm
(I've just noticed they've updated the voice!)

It sounds to me like the music was too loud! (uhoh I sound old!!!) But as said above, a one off exposure probably didn't result in too much permanent damage... (An MP3 player on full volume will result in permanent damage in only a few minutes and most kids manage to endure this all day!)





teh_boy  
#9 Posted : 13 December 2011 09:03:57(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
teh_boy

Pikeman wrote:

I would not worry too much - the Exposure action levels are about 8 hr and 40 hr everaged expsoure. It would seem unlikely that their hearing could be damaged.
.



Over 4 hours @ 90dB daily exposure would be 87dB and a breech of the regs (for staff)!
I picked 90dB which is really not very loud, Google 'sound comparison charts' but ensure scale is dB(A), I am sure it would be louder than this.

Oh next year - download a sound meter app on your smart phone and you can see how loud it is - bring on the 'fun police' :)
teh_boy  
#10 Posted : 13 December 2011 09:05:11(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
teh_boy

PPS - It's Christmas - who cares :)
PIKEMAN  
#11 Posted : 13 December 2011 09:13:17(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
PIKEMAN

Some of the posters here don't seem to understand the difference between a temporary threshold shift and noise induced hearing loss - we need to be carefull when giving noise advice.

The fact is, unless it is a noise with generates a huge amount of noise pressure (eg a gunshot), a one off or short duration exposure to noise will probably not damage hearing.

The regs state:- "There are also levels of noise exposure which must not be exceeded. These are called exposure limit values:

daily or weekly exposure of 87 dB;
peak sound pressure of 140 dB."

Notice that the 87 dB level is an 8 hour or 40 hour, whereas the peak sound pressure is 140 dB!
teh_boy  
#12 Posted : 13 December 2011 09:28:48(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
teh_boy

Pikeman wrote:
Some of the posters here don't seem to understand the difference between a temporary threshold shift and noise induced hearing loss - we need to be carefull when giving noise advice.

The fact is, unless it is a noise with generates a huge amount of noise pressure (eg a gunshot), a one off or short duration exposure to noise will probably not damage hearing.

The regs state:- "There are also levels of noise exposure which must not be exceeded. These are called exposure limit values:

daily or weekly exposure of 87 dB;
peak sound pressure of 140 dB."

Notice that the 87 dB level is an 8 hour or 40 hour, whereas the peak sound pressure is 140 dB!


hmmmmm it's comments like that make people not bother to post advice - See thread on sharing....


I would argue (but apparently I am wrong) temporary threshold shift usually damages some cilia, this continued damage over a long period of time results in noise induced hearing loss.

Oh I can't be bothered to explain - let the HSE do it

http://www.hse.gov.uk/noise/video/hearingvideo.htm

Users browsing this topic
Guest
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.