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flysafe  
#1 Posted : 13 December 2011 12:32:13(UTC)
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flysafe

At one of my sites PAT testing was recently conducted and a small 230V UPS (APC Smart-UPS SC 420VA 230V) failed a PAT test. The manufacturer is telling us that it didn't fail and should never have been PAT tested, although the user manual doesn't mention this, they have pointed us to http://emea-en.apc.com/a...detail/a_id/9200/kw/9200

Has anyone come across this issue?
walker  
#2 Posted : 13 December 2011 12:39:47(UTC)
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walker

The Manufacturer is correct IMHO

Most proficent PAT testers know this & understand why

Suggest you review the competency of your tester

I'll post THE reference doc for PAt testing in a moment

walker  
#3 Posted : 13 December 2011 12:53:12(UTC)
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walker

Use this reference doc:

IEE Code of Practice for in service Inspection & Testing of Electrical Equipment ISBN 978-0-86341-833-4

Decent testers will hold this qualification:

City &Guilds course - C&G 2377-01 and 02 – Management, Inspection and Testing of Electrical Equipment

Neither are cheap but will save money in the long term due to elimination of inappropriate testing & test intervals
JJ Prendergast  
#4 Posted : 13 December 2011 12:54:00(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

The 'P' in PAT stands for Portable - is the UPS really portable?

Is the UPS a battery bank?

I agree with the manufacturer and also doubt the competency of your 'competent' PAT tester.

In my experience of UPS system, they are not portable. No need to PAT test.

Do you have any more info
walker  
#5 Posted : 13 December 2011 12:57:08(UTC)
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walker

If the tester is a contractor I suggest you bill him for a repacement UPS.
walker  
#6 Posted : 13 December 2011 13:00:03(UTC)
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walker

JJ Prendergast wrote:
The 'P' in PAT stands for Portable - is the UPS really portable?



Usual rule of the thumb is, if it has a plug (not hard wired) its portable.
flysafe  
#7 Posted : 13 December 2011 13:04:13(UTC)
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flysafe

Thanks to you all for the replies we will be discussing the issue with the tester.

The UPS is a small plug in unit not a fixed battery bank.
PH2  
#8 Posted : 13 December 2011 15:11:06(UTC)
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PH2

Hi Flysafe,
If you download a free copy of HSG 107 Maintaining portable electrical equipment you will see that you will rarely (if ever) need to carry PAT testing on items of office equipment that are not really "portable", such as UPS units. Many items of office equipment are never moved / relocated for years and as such are not subjected to the conditions found in engineering workshops or construction sites.

PH2
flysafe  
#9 Posted : 13 December 2011 15:43:42(UTC)
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flysafe

Hello PH2

Thank you for the reply, any information or help always gratefully received.

That particular site has had no electrical testing or inspecting either fixed or portable since 2002 so we are testing everything, numerous faults found in office areas with faulty extensions, plugs etc and some significant safety issues with the fixed circuits.

I am new to this company but not to Health and Safety but I had not come across the issues of testing UPS before.

Once all the issues are corrected and a local inspection regime is in place we will not test again for some time, the exact frequency and nature of testing has still to be determined as we operate in 12 sites across 9 countries and I want to standardise and simplify procedures where I can.
walker  
#10 Posted : 13 December 2011 15:52:38(UTC)
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walker

PAT testing has a deservedly bad rep.
And like so many things its due to incorrect application.

So many sites "do everything every 12 months" which is wrong on several levels

The COP I recommend will save you a fortune by following their recommended frequency & nature of testing schedules.
flysafe  
#11 Posted : 13 December 2011 16:03:11(UTC)
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flysafe

Walker, I completely agree - I have often struggled to convince people that they don't need to test as frequently as they have been "sold".
Graham Bullough  
#12 Posted : 13 December 2011 16:54:57(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Flysafe - What do the initials UPS mean? I'm asking on behalf of other forum users like myself who are not familiar with the term.

I did do an internet search and found over 250 suggestions for words or names which match the initials. Ones like Ukrainian Physical Society and Uganda Prisons Service could be readily eliminated, but others like Ultraviolet Particle Sizer and Ultraviolet Photoelectron Spectroscope are uncertain. Therefore, please also briefly describe the nature and purpose of a UPS.

Aside from this query, I concur with other responders about the widespread but mistaken belief held by many people that every conceivable type of appliance and anything else which is powered through a 240 volt plug or comprises a plug-in device (e.g. a mobile phone charger) has to be tested and furthermore every 12 months.
flysafe  
#13 Posted : 13 December 2011 17:12:27(UTC)
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flysafe

Hello Graham

UPS stands for Uninterrupted Power Supply - basically a big battery- it keeps computers and other vital equipment running during power failure or fluctuation usually until emergency generators kicks in or until the power comes back on.

I think your search found some more interesting results.

JJ Prendergast  
#14 Posted : 13 December 2011 17:12:51(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

In the context of electrical engineering, UPS usually means Uninterruptable Power Supply.

These can be large lead/acid battery arrangements, hence my query if the UPS was 'portable'.

I'm not too sure from the information given, what type of UPS system is under discussion.
Safety Smurf  
#15 Posted : 13 December 2011 17:31:49(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

flysafe wrote:
Hello Graham

UPS stands for Uninterrupted Power Supply - basically a big battery- it keeps computers and other vital equipment running during power failure or fluctuation usually until emergency generators kicks in or until the power comes back on.

I think your search found some more interesting results.



Aaah!... That'll be why the guy in the Brown uniform looked so unhappy when I tried to hook up up to the tester! ;-)
flysafe  
#16 Posted : 13 December 2011 17:56:51(UTC)
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flysafe

Safety Smurf

I would have liked to have watched that!!

Graham Bullough  
#17 Posted : 13 December 2011 18:15:45(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Many thanks for the helpful responses about UPS.

Last September while on holiday on a Scottish island with its own hydro-generated 240 volt power supply I was shown a new building with a large room containing numerous large lead-acid batteries which were kept charged up and capable of keeping the power supply going for some time if the hydro generators (pelton wheels) stopped working for any reason. The island supply also had two diesel generators which I understood would supply power in place of the hydro generators or perhaps even supplement their output at times of high demand. An engineer was working on sophisticated new control gear apparently to enable the 3 systems to be interlinked and controlled remotely, and hopefully ensure a wholly uninterrupted power supply in future.

I understand that the average desk computer tends to incorporate a small battery to provide a sufficient trickle of power for a long time (weeks or months?) to keep the computer's clock circuit running when the computer is not fed with mains power, so guess this is a micro-version of a UPS in a way similar to a vehicle battery continuing to power equipment such as the vehicle's clock and security system when the engine isn't running.
Betta Spenden  
#18 Posted : 13 December 2011 18:37:02(UTC)
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Betta Spenden

Bonza, another PAT question.

PAT is not a legal requirement.
PAT does not have to be done.
There is no requirement to do PAT.
Its only a code of practice.

Yep. Its all true ***BUT***. If some of you take that kind of advice as gospel without checking your insurance policy you may get your fingers burnt. You need to read that document very carefully before going off half-cocked.

Also, sadly yes there are a few questions out there relating to competency. Your PAT person isn’t one of those “just add a DVD and hey presto you have instant PATMAN” types is s/he?

PS there is only one test in PAT.
jfw  
#19 Posted : 13 December 2011 20:52:42(UTC)
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jfw

Betta Spenden wrote:


PAT is not a legal requirement.
PAT does not have to be done.
There is no requirement to do PAT.
Its only a code of practice.



As I regularly remind my MD there is no legal reguuirement to do it, its just recognised as being best practice.

I always use the analogy that its like travel insurance. Its not compulsary, but boy are you glad you've got it if something goes wrong !

townshend1012  
#20 Posted : 13 December 2011 21:51:38(UTC)
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townshend1012

Flysafe,
Basically, your PAT Tester's blown it!!! UPSs are classed as fixed electrical installation IMHO and shouldn't need testing. They either work, or they don't.
Denton36597  
#21 Posted : 13 December 2011 23:28:40(UTC)
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Denton36597

What about the old 'its brand new and comes with a 12month guarantee' argument that often happens on sites??
Do you rely on the quality assurance of the foreign sweat shop and hope that the outlet that sold you it hasnt dropped it or had it submersed in a flooded warehouse.
Personally i always insist that all new equipment is tested before first use.
paul.skyrme  
#22 Posted : 13 December 2011 23:48:05(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

I would NEVER expect a UPS to pass a PAT.
They are not designed to.
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