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Each xmas in our building we run a small xmas type market where employees or friends/family of employees have stalls to sell home made xmas cards, clothing and all that type of thing
There are also a few that sell home made cakes, chocolates, mice pies etc
My question is, do nut allergy signs need to be displayed and if so who should provide them? I'm sure I've heard the "elf and safety" gone mad stories about school fetes not being able to have cake stalls etc because they had no warning signs
To be honest if someone has a nut allergy they should know to at least ask the stall holder if the cakes contain nuts etc. It's common sense which is what we are striving for according to our leaders
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Mike,
the mice pies sound interesting...
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ha ha....yes well that might explain why no one is buying them!
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To be on the 'safe side' get the person carrying out the baking to produce a sign 'may contain nuts or nut products'.
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Mike, nut allergy signs - especially for the stalls only selling nuts.
As a back up, a sign stating... 'no nuts within this product but could have been contaminated by persons touching nuts from the adjacent nut stall, or other nuts!'
Life is a changing!
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On the back of my 'tongue in cheek' response, is it true to say that an allergy can happen to anyone at any time - similar to bee stings?
If that's the case, you can't cover all bases anyway.
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A local resturant has a sign on the door saying;
" we can't cater for allergies, intolerances or other diet preferences, if these are important to you please do not use our establishment"
Which I think is sensible and for that reason I've used them several times - the food is great.
When will people start taking some resonsibiliy for themselves?
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Occasionally, during the year, I bring home-made cakes / biscuits / sweets into the office. I tell people what is in them although I don't list the ingredients on the container they are in. As Mike says in post #1, people who know they have allergies do tend to ask. However, in the spirit of good communication I will make an effort to put the info with the tin, just feel like it's a bit OTT. That's my half ounce for what it's worth!
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Im not sure if your event is for fundraising or not, but I found some information on this subject from the institue of fundraising, which offers guidance on selling food and drink at these types of events.
'If you wish to have food and drink at your event, there are additional requirements that you need to meet.
Any food that is being supplied must comply with the Food Safety Act 1990, the Food Safety (General Food Hygiene) Regulations 1995 and other regulations applying to specific types of food.
In general, the Food Hygiene and Labelling Regulations don’t apply to food that isn't prepared as part of a business. So, most food sold for charity won't need to be labelled, including food sold at one-off events. However, with food that is regularly packaged and sold for charity (e.g.jars of jam or boxed cakes), regulations may apply even when there is no profit.
Even if there is no legal requirement to label the food, it can be done voluntarily. Ideally, give the product name, a list of ingredients and details about ingredients that could cause an allergic reaction, such as nuts. Ensure the information is accurate'
http://www.institute-of-...mation/event-fundraising
Hope this helps?
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As others have commented already, people with food allergies tend when buying or ordering food to ask if it contains whatever ingredient they know will harm them. For example, one of my late relatives was very allergic to mushrooms. Shopping for packaged food wasn't usually a problem because she could check the ingredients listed on the packaging. However, she occasionally had problems with waiters/waitresses in cafes and restaurants who didn't understand/care about food allergy matters and therefore didn't bother to check with kitchen staff despite being asked to do so. Though I'm not sure myself what constituent/s of mushrooms affected my late relative, their adverse effect occurred quite quickly. (To avoid any confusion, "late" in regard to my relative means deceased - she could never be described as retarded or unpunctual! )
Mike C - On a jocular note, where's the saga promised in your topic title? If it's still to come, will it be as enthralling as a good Icelandic saga with plenty of passion, violence and perhaps references to the latest local volcanic eruptions? If there's actually no saga available, will you be at risk of action under consumer legislation about trades descriptions?!!!!
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walker wrote:A local resturant has a sign on the door saying;
" we can't cater for allergies, intolerances or other diet preferences, if these are important to you please do not use our establishment"
Which I think is sensible and for that reason I've used them several times - the food is great.
When will people start taking some resonsibiliy for themselves?
I'm not quite sure why someone checking with the waiter that their order does not contain something they are allergic to, is not 'taking some responsibility for themselves'.
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walker wrote:A local resturant has a sign on the door saying;
" we can't cater for allergies, intolerances or other diet preferences, if these are important to you please do not use our establishment"
Which I think is sensible and for that reason I've used them several times - the food is great.
When will people start taking some resonsibiliy for themselves?
I'm wondering if that contravenes the Equality Act...but to my point...
Mrs D is seriously nut allergic, and we've had a couple of scary moments when eating out. On one occasion she'd asked the waiter if a dish had nuts in, as she is allergic, and was told that it didn't.
She started reacting as soon as the first forkful touched her lips...once we'd dealt with the immediate issue (two pints of milk and some Piriton work wonders if the allergen dose has been small enough), we complained loudly to the waiter who told us "Oh yeah, well there's nuts in the sauce, obviously."
So yes, we always ask...but even if we've been given the all clear, we proceed with caution if we're eating somewhere we're not familiar with.
As for the OP's question, I'd say anything containing nuts should have a sign saying so. Anything that may have become contaminated with nuts (for example, carried in the same cake tin as a nut-containing product) should say so as well. Beyond that, people with allergies know how to look after themselves!
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I’d get someone- ideally the sellers to put up labels saying “This food may contain nuts”. Recently we had a conference, and we laid on a spread, which included satay chicken (labelled as such). A guy took one bite and then started choking- he had a peanut allergy but thought that satay chicken might not have peanuts in it! We had to take him to hospital and this mean that we had a RIDDOR as well!
He got better and was back at the conference in time for tea and cakes- it almost killed him but did not affect his appetite!
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booney wrote:Mike,
the mice pies sound interesting...
Not my favourite. I do like ratatouille though.
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Paul Duell wrote: Beyond that, people with allergies know how to look after themselves!
A Kurdziel wrote:he had a peanut allergy but thought that satay chicken might not have peanuts in it!
OK, I was wrong...make that "most people"!
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Paul,
I sympathise with Mrs D - I really do, but surely if its that serious you must realise by now that eating out is akin to Russian roulette.
I certainly would not trust any eating establishment with my life
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ron hunter wrote:booney wrote:Mike,
the mice pies sound interesting...
Not my favourite. I do like ratatouille though.
It's on over the holiday, didn't like it myself when I saw it in the cinema but kids thought it was funny though
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farrell wrote:ron hunter wrote:booney wrote:Mike,
the mice pies sound interesting...
Not my favourite. I do like ratatouille though.
It's on over the holiday, didn't like it myself when I saw it in the cinema but kids thought it was funny though
I prefer the three mouseketeers...
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Mention of ratatouille tends to remind afficianados of TV's "Fawlty Towers" of the scene where Manuel the waiter gets very agitated because he mistakenly thinks that his pet rat (possibly a filigree Siberian hamster) named Basil has been included by Terry the chef in a newly-made ratatouille.
This information makes no contribution whatsoever to the advancement of OS&H, but hopefully might raise a smile or two.
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booney wrote:farrell wrote:ron hunter wrote:booney wrote:Mike,
the mice pies sound interesting...
Not my favourite. I do like ratatouille though.
It's on over the holiday, didn't like it myself when I saw it in the cinema but kids thought it was funny though
I prefer the three mouseketeers...
I don't suppose Raturn of the Jedi is on this Xmas is it?
Or Dirty Ratten Scoundrels? (Groan)
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Its not just Nuts, last time I bought at a farmers market the label for ingredients was huge as it informed me that the product might contain the following allergens
Nuts
soya
gluten
eggs
mustard [that's one I hadnt heard of before]
milk and milk products
It's just not possible to cover every eventuality ... is it ?
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walker wrote:Paul,
I sympathise with Mrs D - I really do, but surely if its that serious you must realise by now that eating out is akin to Russian roulette.
Walker, you're right, I'd never thought of it like that. I'll tell her that from now on, she's only allowed to eat at home, and all food must have been grown in our own garden so we can be sure of its provenance. Lucky she's a veggie as I don't have the skills to rear livestock successfully, and I think the neighbours might complain.
walker wrote:I certainly would not trust any eating establishment with my life
Having worked in various catering extablishments through college (my Dad ran an outside catering firm), I can tell you that you already do!
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Paul,
Your sarcasm is noted
Consider my wrist slapped
sorry!
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Paul, I too feel sorry for Mrs D.
My Wife is Celiac which, unlike a nut allergy is not immediately dangerous. Though, we cannot eat out and know for sure she won't suffer.
Ask any kitchen 'what on your menu is gluten / wheat free?' the answer is probably the menu itself!
Labels on food even contain messages such as 'made in a factory that uses wheat' or words to that effect (whatever help that is to anyone?).
Anyway, I get Walker's point, we rarely eat out, in honesty my Wife will usually always suffer some side effect even if she asks the chef, waiter all the right questions beforehand!
I'm off to eat a slice of cake and some nuts now. All the best
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There's some good humour on this thread already and hopefully more to come. However, on a serious note regarding food allergies, this matter can be an ongoing issue for schools with pupils who have food allergies and also the parents of such pupils, especially younger pupils who by their nature might not fully understand their allergy and/or be alert about what they eat, especially as their contemporaries either don't understand or can forget at times about the matter.
From experience of my employer's schools it seems that nuts, especially peanuts, are the most common allergen for affected pupils, but there are others including dairy products and gluten (wheat-based products). Thankfully, it seems that people at my employer's schools generally are well briefed about allergy issues and able to respond appropriately if and when things go wrong.
That's fine for school pupils, but what about adults with food allergies who might be away from relatives, friends or colleagues if and when they experience a serious reaction to a food allergen? For example, do they carry a readily accessible emergency information card which they can give to someone nearby?
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On a more serious note, parents of children with severe allergies need to prepare them for life.
We had a tragic case a couple of years ago when a student coming up to University for the first time, did not survive her very first day.
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If Mrs. D has that strong a reaction, has she seen a dermatologist/allergologist for a proper test (prick test) and then been issued with the appropriate emergency kit, i.e. two epipens? If not, then this is something that she should do as quickly as possible as this type of reaction can be very violent and potentially life threatening.
As a point for general information there are intolerance reactions that can mimic allergic reactions but are not the genuine type I immune response. It is often difficult to tell them apart. Another reason why a proper diagnosis by a specialist is to be recommended.
Chris
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I hate to be an "elf & safety" killjoy but a thought has occurred to me.
Aside from all the debate as to whether there is any applicable legislation and whether there should be warning labels and signs. What would happen if someone did suffer some ill effect, an allergic reaction, eColi etc?
Would there be a civil action? Could be - but would it be worth going against family/friends of ones fellow employees who have come along in all good faith with their homemade goodies? I think not - bad for friendships and no "deep pocket". And where is the deep pocket? The firm or organisation that provides the premises for this event... Has this event been discussed with the Public Liability insurers?
Phil
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On a quick note. My Mums' church has banned home made sausage rolls from fund raisers - but you are allowed to bring in Shop bought ones.
Whats all that about?
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Going right back to the top of the thread, I think that some form of simple ‘nut allergy’ sign is prudent and reasonable, especially as it would cost a few pence and minutes to do. I don’t see it as elf and safety gone mad or anything of a saga; just a very simple precaution that would take minimum effort to achieve.
A very good friend of mine has a little boy who has a severe nut allergy. She takes sensible precautions as do I when I take him out or have him over to mine. I also have to make her peanut butter sandwiches, as she doesn’t feel that she can have it in the house! I find myself constantly checking packaging, and find that some is more helpful than others. I never cease to be surprised at the number of items that either contains nuts, or that don’t, but have been made with equipment that has previously been used to make something with nuts etc.
In fairness most suppliers, even those at farmers markets, are more than happy to display a sign, and those people whop either suffer from or who are buying for someone who suffers from a severe allergy, generally know what to look for or the questions to ask.
You can keep the mice pies, anyone for Baldrick’s Rat Au Vin? Yep, rat, that’s been run over by a van!
Big Nick - I reckon someone is operating a sausage roll cartel! Me? Home made, anytime :-)
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walker wrote:Paul,
Your sarcasm is noted
Consider my wrist slapped
sorry!
Yeah, fair point, I probably bit a little harder than was strictly necessary there...put it down to the stress caused by the prospect of another walnut free Christmas! (Only joking...just in case Mrs D ever gets to read this)
Chris Packham wrote:If Mrs. D has that strong a reaction, has she seen a dermatologist/allergologist for a proper test (prick test) and then been issued with the appropriate emergency kit, i.e. two epipens? If not, then this is something that she should do as quickly as possible as this type of reaction can be very violent and potentially life threatening.
Thanks Chris, yes, all sorted long before I met her. And as an aside, I've done the St John Ambulance anaphylaxis awareness course - it's a one-day session designed as a bolt-on to the FAW and teaches you how to use an epipen, when NOT to use an epipen, what to do next, and about the possibility of biphasic shock, which is an anaphylactic shock occurring up to 12 hours after an apparently symptom-free exposure to allergen.
SP900308 wrote:My Wife is Celiac which, unlike a nut allergy is not immediately dangerous. Though, we cannot eat out and know for sure she won't suffer.
Ask any kitchen 'what on your menu is gluten / wheat free?' the answer is probably the menu itself!
Labels on food even contain messages such as 'made in a factory that uses wheat' or words to that effect (whatever help that is to anyone?).
Yeah, that's true - Mrs D's approach is that if anything is labelled "produced in a factory which handles nuts" is to brush it across her lip, and if there's no problem have a tiny bite. She can soon tell if she shouldn't eat any more. But that wouldn't work for coeliacs and many other allergy sufferers.
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