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Graham  
#1 Posted : 03 January 2012 10:05:00(UTC)
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Graham

ron hunter mentioned the case of contingency plans to get staff home after a fire. I've been thinking about this for quite a while but have been unable to get any sensible suggestions. Hence the new thread, and the question? All staff have left their place of work immediately without collecting personal belongings when the fire alarm goes off. How do they get home if the fire destroys the building. They have no coats, no car keys, no train tickets, no money. How do they get into their homes if their keys are in the building? Bearing in mind the employer has told them to leave their possessions behind the employer surely has some responsibility here. But what can the employer do, all the senior people will also be in the same position without access to money etc. Some have suggested senior people take out some credit cards. Which means we’re asking them to put themselves at risk when the alarm goes off. Others say ‘surely someone will have something on them that staff can use’ hardly a contingency plan. We've no other sites close by where people can get access to the wherewithall to get home. If the employer does not have a decent contingency plan, and it’s everyman for himself, then to hell with doing what the employer tells me I’ll look after myself in a fire and take my personal belongings out, easy for me they’re next to my desk. (Previous sentence inserted just to spark controversy... :-))
Lawlee45239  
#2 Posted : 03 January 2012 10:12:09(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

good point.... Its all very well and good on a construction site whereby the welfare facilities are 'normally' away from the building, and at the main entrance gate, so if the building is on fire the guys can still get their things. But in a factory welfare facilities are normally within the building.... Perhaps something like a spill kit/ emergency box out the front with them foil blankets in.....
Safety Smurf  
#3 Posted : 03 January 2012 10:55:14(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

We have a process for this and it's relativley simple. The problem starts when you are dealing with large numbers of people. Bear in mind that even if you have evacuated several hundred people it doesn't mean you have several hundred people to worry about. Many will have their keys in their pocket, most will have grabbed their jacket and their hand bags regardless, some will live within walking distance, nearly all will have a mobile phone with which they can call friends and family. The important thing is that they understand they should let whoever is in charge know they are leaving before doing so. Once you have done this, those who are left truly stranded will become much easier to manage.
Lawlee45239  
#4 Posted : 03 January 2012 12:28:51(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

Safety Smurf wrote:
We have a process for this and it's relativley simple. The problem starts when you are dealing with large numbers of people. Bear in mind that even if you have evacuated several hundred people it doesn't mean you have several hundred people to worry about. Many will have their keys in their pocket, most will have grabbed their jacket and their hand bags regardless, some will live within walking distance, nearly all will have a mobile phone with which they can call friends and family. The important thing is that they understand they should let whoever is in charge know they are leaving before doing so. Once you have done this, those who are left truly stranded will become much easier to manage.
True in an office environment, but if your working in a factory/ plant whereby you have to wear specific PPE (overalls/ boots/ etc), minus phones etc and your belongings are in a locker room, what do you do then? This got me thinking to back in my younger years, in a supermarket I worked in, in the bakery section, I had to wear all the bakery clothing and clog shoes, no phone (wasnt allowed in front of customers) and no money on me (wasnt allowed in the coats), it was all upstairs in a locked locker in the locked locker room, which was opened at break times.
Ron Hunter  
#5 Posted : 03 January 2012 12:51:49(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

First steps usually involve finding a good neighbour to develop reciprocal arrangements with.
Bob Shillabeer  
#6 Posted : 03 January 2012 13:40:12(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

The first and foremost thing is the protection of life in any fire situation. Having evacuated all personnel safely the risk from fire no longer plays any part in this situation. The aftermath falls into a business continuity system. Many employers don't have a Business Continuity Plan in place but there is a clear need to have one to deal with getting people home after such an incident and of course continuing the business.
DaveDowan  
#7 Posted : 03 January 2012 14:06:46(UTC)
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DaveDowan

hi all of these issue whould be addressed in a Business continuity plan, what you do about getting home , keys etc, will depend on the company regards Dave
Zyggy  
#8 Posted : 03 January 2012 14:56:37(UTC)
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Zyggy

I agree with Ron on this one & have had first hand experience when we had the bombings in Manchester a number of years ago. Employees from M&S were accommodated in one of our British Gas premises, north of the city, until all their staff were able to make alternative arrangements to get home. Zyggy
messyshaw  
#9 Posted : 03 January 2012 15:14:17(UTC)
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messyshaw

I too agree with Ron. Where necessary, arranging a plan with a (not too near) neighbour maybe essential (depending on your business continuity RA). One property I have been involved with with have several thousand staff - many wearing PPE which excludes the carrying of mobiles phones and outer coats. A problem during an evacuation in poor weather & at night. A reciprocal system was established with a large neighbour about 800m away, for a holding point to be established in their warehouse and canteen, if necessary - especially at night and during inclement weather. About 150 foil blankets are available in a grab pack at security to help staff reach the neighbour's location, and arrangements have been made with the neighbour to leave some kit at their premises & to 'borrow' cash to pay public transport fares home if required. I understand that the system was subject to it's 3 yearly test, last summer with 150 volunteers, and worked well (except for the evacuation of disabled staff which still needs some tweaking)
Tigers  
#10 Posted : 03 January 2012 16:00:41(UTC)
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Tigers

Surely this is just the situation the Civil Contingencies Act 2006 was introduced for, you may find that some of these plans are held by your local Local Resilience group as Category 1 responders.
flukey  
#11 Posted : 03 January 2012 16:07:15(UTC)
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flukey

May be we should add in that its the employers responsibility to pay the mortgage of said employees because said business burned down and never re-opened. Does that sound reasonable to anyone...?
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