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Thomson26243  
#1 Posted : 30 December 2011 22:21:56(UTC)
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Thomson26243

I have recently been asked about advice for staff working alone in betting shops for up to 8 hours a day. I wondered if anyone had any views on this. My concerns are based around staff welfare i.e. meal breaks, toilet breaks etc and the obvious security issues. Also where does the employer stand with regard to the HSAWetcA. Is is not clear whether this has been properly risk assessed by a competent person so I am unable to comment on this. Any views or discussion on this would be welcome.
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 31 December 2011 09:48:11(UTC)
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RayRapp

It is clear that those working in betting shops on their own are 'lone workers' as defined by HSE guidance, although there is no legal duty towards lone workers it will be covered within other aspects of the law. Hence their health, safety and welfare must be considered and steps taken to identify those risks and controls. I suspect it is the practicalities of working in a shop which makes it all the more difficult - for example, taking personal needs breaks and lunch break. I suggest the best solutions will be found in meaningful discussions with those working in the betting shops. In all probability there will be the need for some 'give and take' to find the most pragmatic solutions.
Betta Spenden  
#3 Posted : 31 December 2011 09:50:06(UTC)
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Betta Spenden

Its all a bit of a gamble in my opinion.
claret1965  
#4 Posted : 31 December 2011 11:35:00(UTC)
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claret1965

Thomson 26243, Although there is no general legal prohibition on working alone, there are statutory and civil liabilities to consider. A good starting point for practical advice is to download the free copy of: 'INDG 73 - Working alone in Safety -Controlling the risks of solitary work'. The important issue for your employer is that they undertake a suitable and sufficient risk assessment of its betting shop operations and then formulate appropriate controls to ensure the health and safety of its employees (i.e. Dealing with the public, handling potentially large sums of money, etc); and to also ensure that non-employees (i.e. Customers, general public, deliveries, contractors, etc) are not exposed to risk resulting from how they conduct their undertakings. This will include an organisation's emergency arrangements e.g. First-aid, fire, security. Of course all the above is qualified to the standard 'reasonably practicable'. Advice already provided by a fellow member is also very relevant. The health of employees must always be considered. This will include welfare facilities and time allowed for rest breaks, hours worked, etc (Relevant resource:- The Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992; The Working Time Regulations 1998).
bob youel  
#5 Posted : 03 January 2012 07:40:32(UTC)
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bob youel

And the one thing that a betting shop owner cannot argue about is affording to do things correctly as the industry is awash with [cash] money
DP  
#6 Posted : 03 January 2012 10:46:13(UTC)
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DP

Hiya is this a major chain or a independant Bookmaker?
teh_boy  
#7 Posted : 03 January 2012 12:29:34(UTC)
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teh_boy

RayRapp wrote:
In all probability there will be the need for some 'give and take' to find the most pragmatic solutions.
I agree... I used to 'lone work' in a sweet shop - Maybe a tiny bit different but then again. I used to have full control of my working environment and could close the door and stick up a back in 10 mins sign whenever I wanted. If it was a busy day, I also closed for lunch. tough luck on those needing the shop but I need to eat (I could eat as much stock as I liked.... the good old days :) ) It really does depend on a number of factors, in the winter we were so quiet that I could just leave a regular customer 'in charge' whilst I had a comfort break and there was plenty of time for lunch. The call is for management to make - I either shut the shop when I like or they provide two staff members. As for a betting shop - I agree with what others say, security will be a consideration although I am not sure how this will differ on your own to two workers?
Lawlee45239  
#8 Posted : 03 January 2012 13:15:39(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

teh_boy wrote:
RayRapp wrote:
In all probability there will be the need for some 'give and take' to find the most pragmatic solutions.
I agree... I used to 'lone work' in a sweet shop - Maybe a tiny bit different but then again. I used to have full control of my working environment and could close the door and stick up a back in 10 mins sign whenever I wanted. If it was a busy day, I also closed for lunch. tough luck on those needing the shop but I need to eat (I could eat as much stock as I liked.... the good old days :) ) It really does depend on a number of factors, in the winter we were so quiet that I could just leave a regular customer 'in charge' whilst I had a comfort break and there was plenty of time for lunch. The call is for management to make - I either shut the shop when I like or they provide two staff members. As for a betting shop - I agree with what others say, security will be a consideration although I am not sure how this will differ on your own to two workers?
Hahahahah Brill !!!! In a betting shop, are the employee(s) not behind a screen as in the banks?? But this is a bit different, you would have to time between multiple races to run for a 'p' or get a bite to eat....But in saying that there must be more than one employee round where I live because there is always a member of staff outside the door smoking.
Bob Shillabeer  
#9 Posted : 03 January 2012 13:34:02(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Bet you get a fifty to one shot on solving this one.
bob thompson  
#10 Posted : 03 January 2012 13:57:17(UTC)
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bob thompson

what ever happens you will be at odds with the bookmaker.
offaman  
#11 Posted : 03 January 2012 18:50:33(UTC)
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offaman

I agree on the give and take philosophy and also bear in mind the requirement with respect to working time.
Dazzling Puddock  
#12 Posted : 04 January 2012 17:13:13(UTC)
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Dazzling Puddock

The HSE have some specific guidance and information on betting shops and have produced a toolkit for use in preventing violence in licensed premises. Unless there are good safety /security measures in place then I would hope your Local EHOs would offer advice if asked or take enforcement action if they find the situation as described.
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