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wil2511  
#1 Posted : 11 January 2012 16:03:39(UTC)
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wil2511

Hi im new to IOSH forum I have many years experience in health and safety but the army being who they are wont give you the qualification because they know you will leave so ive set about getting my IOSH managing safely which is completed. I am now doing my NEBOSH general certificate, NGC1 completed already and then on to NEBOSH fire and environmental could anyone give me any tips on any other courses i should do or help?
It seems although everyone is happy to support the forces no one is willing to take a chance with us when it comes to getting work.. any tips or all help would be a grate help and would go along way. thank you
TonyMurphy  
#2 Posted : 11 January 2012 16:19:38(UTC)
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TonyMurphy

Not sure where you get your negativity from but I would suggest that somebody with your experience of hazardous places allied to your career plan make you an ideal candidate for any prospective employer. Most employers want to know that they are employing a trustworthy individual and the more competent the better. Throw in reliability, willingness to learn, good attitude to the rapidly increased changes in technology and you have a superstar on your hands.
You could elaborate your career plan to include Diploma and Grad IOSH status and the more environmental stuff you get on board the easier finding work will be.
As I have posted on here many times if you can do Safety you can do QA, its very simple.
Get yourself a couple of good agents and away you go.

Good Luck.
TonyMurphy  
#3 Posted : 11 January 2012 16:21:13(UTC)
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TonyMurphy

And now that I have just noticed you are a Manc I will put you in touch with a couple of good agents if you e-mail me.
walker  
#4 Posted : 11 January 2012 16:28:34(UTC)
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walker

I find this contradicts my experiences

Are you still "in" becuse if so you should be talking to your resettlement officer.

We have recruited a number of ex-services and they generaly come well quailfied due to the training they get at the end of their service.

FYI - I've got 4 ex service guys working for me as H&S advisors.
We like them because they have self discipline lacking in civy st and they are easy to place in projects that need security clearance.

suggest you Google "security cleared jobs" for jobs not advertised in the mainstream
Tim Harnett  
#5 Posted : 11 January 2012 16:35:21(UTC)
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Tim Harnett

As an ex-Royal Engineer, now CMIOSH, I can assure you that no employer is going to take a chance just because you have served in the military. You have demonstrated motivation and committment by undertaking the qualifications so far, and this is undoubtedly the way ahead. Stay focussed, work hard and maintain your professionalism; a H&S career is no quick or easy option but stick with it and the rewards will follow.
wil2511  
#6 Posted : 11 January 2012 16:42:04(UTC)
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wil2511

thanks for the information guys my negativity only come from sending my CV out and not hearing back from anyone even if the job is a health and safety assistant not requiring NEBOSH qualification. So ive taken the steps to have my CV done by professionals i hope that may help a little. I think more than anything the time is close and Im a little nervous about the jump to civi street especially when I hear its so hard out there at the moment. thank you for your comments tho a little advice is a huge help for me.
wil2511  
#7 Posted : 11 January 2012 16:48:44(UTC)
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wil2511

Thanks walker, I've gone through resettlement officer and they have done there part advised me to join IOSH and managed to get me on my H&S courses. I shall Google security cleared jobs. Thanks very much
CliveLowery  
#8 Posted : 11 January 2012 17:05:14(UTC)
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CliveLowery

Wil2511,

Walker makes a good point, if you are still serving you should be talking to your Unit Resettlement Officer about getting work placements and geting some experience working alongside/with another H & S Professional. It does not cost them anything.

The biggest stumbling block for anyone looking for employment is getting your CV right - particularly for when we leave the forces, make a list of all the things you have done since you joined such as; tours, courses projects etc; and try and convert them into the equivalent civilian qualification. DO NOT USE ABBREVIATIONS.

At the end of the day its all about selling yourself to a future employer/investor.

Go out and network:- Get yourself some Business Cards or Flyers knocked up and dish out at Branch Meetings.

I left the Corps in Nov 2003 after 24 years and have not looked back. If you want any help with the CV etc, PM me and I'll see if I can help.

Good Luck

Clive
wil2511  
#9 Posted : 11 January 2012 17:12:00(UTC)
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wil2511

thanks Clive it hasn't been mentioned to me that i could do a works experience I'll go see them in the morning and see if i can get that sorted. Being on the this forum is already opening my eyes ..thanks very much.
wil2511  
#10 Posted : 12 January 2012 10:00:53(UTC)
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wil2511

I just wanted to say thanks I've had so much positive information of people. Thanks for all the comments its been well received cheers.
Lawlee45239  
#11 Posted : 12 January 2012 12:00:41(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

wil2511 wrote:
I just wanted to say thanks I've had so much positive information of people. Thanks for all the comments its been well received cheers.



Welcome to IOSH, and welcome to the Safety World.

Best of luck with the courses and with getting a job.
Psycho  
#12 Posted : 13 January 2012 11:59:52(UTC)
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Psycho

Reading you first paragraph Why should we take a chance with you................

I support the armed forces but what annoys me is when a person has left. Who is then an EX armed forces person who then goes on about how they are ''no longer supported by the army navy RAF etc''

Once you have left you will have no snuggle blanket, Its gone!!!,

The Army will owe you nothing and neither will the prospective employers.

Its up to you! If you get it wrong you will be the person that will be saying that rubbish above plus the added sentence of '' I wished I had never left''

if you get it right, it will be the best move you have ever made.

My advice would be prepare prepare prepare get your Cert and fire , Personnally dont bother with the environmental but use the money on obtaining the Diploma even part A is a start the diploma is essential if you want to be a health and safety professional, You also have to realise that the Cert is the bottom of the rung its not much, but its all you have so sell yourself,

I did I went to that job interview told them everything I knew, the presentation had been practiced and
I knew more about fires than all the other persons and could recite all of the HASWA and man regs
I had the fire and cert at that point, and i am now a fire safety adviser for 7 hospitals and 89 small buildings with 8300 staff

and I am more content than ever no more weekends away or deployments for months

I did 24 years in the armed forces they owe me nothing however I owe them everything because

them years trained me for my future, its not about luck its about preparation with a little bit of luck thrown in and dress to impress with a suit and tie. How did it help me having NEBOSH Certificate and fire and not the environmental, By spending the money on my diploma it showed i had committment for the future now i only have to pass part A(Law and Management) next week is the exam and hand the assignment and i have finished then its chartered membership etc
wil2511  
#13 Posted : 13 January 2012 13:36:02(UTC)
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wil2511

Point taken. Thanks
Big Nick  
#14 Posted : 13 January 2012 14:49:15(UTC)
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Big Nick

Try doing another course that can bolster your CV.

It might help if you had a PTTLS, Manual Handling Instructor or FAW Instructor/Assessor qualification or something along those lines that would give you that bit extra over your competitors.

I left in Jul 11 and after a lot of hard work and luck managed to get employment in November.

It's not all doom and gloom.

Good luck.
Ade67  
#15 Posted : 13 January 2012 14:58:59(UTC)
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Ade67

I also did the full 22 years in the Army, I know that there is a significant amount of talent in the armed forces and a lot of guys leaving who would be fantastic assets to any employer.

I also know there are a signifcicant number who I would not dream of recommending to anybody.

So regardless of the support our forces receive and deserve no employer is likely to take you on for that reason alone.

The hardest thing I would suggest and particularly at this time is getting the first opportunity, so therefore you should take anything that may get you a foot in the door.

I left with the general certificate and a low level environmental qualification, took the first job offered which was a 3 month contract to cover a guy on sick leave, I have now been employed in the same job for over 4 years, my company have put me through the diploma and numerous other courses / qualifications and life is good.

What I would say is take any chance offered, it is then that you will be able to show your potential and turn that chance into a career.

All the best Ade

wil2511  
#16 Posted : 13 January 2012 15:11:25(UTC)
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wil2511

I would take any chance at all. Like I said there has been a lot of really good advice Thanks very much. I have sent my CV of to have it to properly and I am taking all the advice on board. Thanks
Dimond36742  
#17 Posted : 20 January 2012 08:36:44(UTC)
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Dimond36742

It's not easy getting that 1st foot in the door.
After 16 years in the RN, (during which I passed the NGC by Distance Learning,) it still took a while.
I was perhaps fortunate but I slowly increased my experience, passing the Fire Cert and the National Diploma, so it can be done you just have to keep plugging away.
I have found that being ex services can be useful, provable work record and providing a wide range of experience, but eventually it comes down to you as an individual, proving yourself.
Apologies if this comes across as teaching granny to suck eggs, but it has worked for me. Best of luck for the future.
Mike Welsh  
#18 Posted : 20 January 2012 14:28:39(UTC)
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Mike Welsh

It may be worth offering your services to companies / charities for free just to help you gain some industry experience. I left the RE in 2009 and like your self struggled to get anything, in the end I sent my CV to the local council who offered me some work experience, this then led to some more work experience all of which I did for free whist I was on leave. By the time I came to leaving my CV was looking a whole lot better and subsequently helped me get the role I am still currently in. In terms of development I would defiantly listen to the guys who have mentioned getting your Diploma and would consider PTLLS. What you need to remember is that times are hard and where as couple of years ago their might have only been 5 or 6 people applying for positions you now have 50 or 60 which is making it difficult for anyone to get a role in H&S. It is difficult but well worth it.

Good luck
bob youel  
#19 Posted : 23 January 2012 14:37:05(UTC)
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bob youel

As an ex-sapper [are we ever really x-sappers?] myself I wish you good look and note that in this country I would say that employers who have no military experience [ which is probably 90% of them] look down on the forces [yep look down!] compared to other countries [I have worked in many countries and I find that this country is the worst!] so keep plugging away

Please do not pay to get your CV done; send me a copy and I will review a sappers CV for nothing noting that I ran an international recruitment company for many years so I know what I am looking at


Best wishes

REgards [NB: I have communicated with many sappers by using REgards instead of Regards - any little helps!]
wil2511  
#20 Posted : 24 January 2012 11:28:06(UTC)
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wil2511

Thanks mike I've had a look into PTLLS courses as its been mentioned before and its looks like a good little number to have, I have had a sit down with my SQN QM and he has mentioned the same course and some others. AS for work experience I've sent an email to my local council and I would be very happy to do any sort of work experience so Thanks for that advice. Cheers
Forza  
#21 Posted : 24 January 2012 11:30:17(UTC)
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Forza

Postive thinking is what you need in Safety as everyone will knock you down when and if they can so postive mind always never show negitive face.
I work with alot of ex MOD people most are good at the job, use your army network people who left years before you some are in high postion jobs so network make contact with old mates there are jobs if you got the right experance remember there are other quls other than Dip.
Do yourself a favour when you leave do not go on about your military days unless it relates to the job .
It's not that you get looked down too in civvy street it's here we go again some stories heard them many times also the chain of management is not the same in civvy street not do as i say because i'm higher rank does not work so good management skills required not jus safety very important
Good Luck
I have worked in safety roles for over 17 years never looked back had some great jobs
wil2511  
#22 Posted : 24 January 2012 11:40:02(UTC)
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wil2511

Thanks furze ill keep that in mind if and when I get a job to be honest I've had some great help of the Royal Engineers on the forum and its been a huge help already and its really made me want to work for it. So its on with the courses and a big push for the finish. Thanks and Thanks to everyone else.
Darren platts  
#23 Posted : 25 January 2012 06:40:31(UTC)
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Darren platts

Wil2511,

I left the Royal Marines in July 10 at 29 years old and was given a chance by a former Royal(didnt know him but chatted on a professional networking site) to become a HSE manager for a construction firm in the UAE. One year later after further networking I was head hunted to an Oil & Gas company in the region as Corporate HSE Manager and am sitting my CMIOSH open exam in March and starting my MSc in September.

Why am i telling you this?

There is plenty of opportunity in the Middle East for people like us. We have many transferrable skills that you would not even realise you have.

Good luck with your courses and feel free to get in contact(civvy meaning) if you so wish
wil2511  
#24 Posted : 25 January 2012 13:17:21(UTC)
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wil2511

id be very happy with working anywhere in the world Darren thats something for me to think about for sure. thanks very much
fullstop  
#25 Posted : 25 January 2012 13:49:43(UTC)
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fullstop

I am not sure of the level of safety and health training or experience you have.
I would recommend the NEBOSH general certificate, the IOSH Managing Safely certificate of the basic first steps if you have not yet done so.
You should then Join IOSH and work toward chartered membership.
membership of IOSH give you exposure to job posting in the safety and health area
wil2511  
#26 Posted : 25 January 2012 13:58:54(UTC)
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wil2511

Cheers fullest, I've done IOSH managing safely I've sitting my NEBOSH general test march and I've got my Nebuchadnezzar fire & risk management and environmental in 3 weeks through my resettlement and I'm a member of IOSH. I'm also getting my self loaded onto a few more courses as recommended from the guys on the forum. Thanks very much.
wil2511  
#27 Posted : 25 January 2012 16:59:18(UTC)
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wil2511

sorry cheers fullstop.
leonzac  
#28 Posted : 26 January 2012 13:03:49(UTC)
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leonzac

Bob

I was always under the impression that 'once a sapper, always a sapper'.

REgards
wil2511  
#29 Posted : 26 January 2012 13:08:22(UTC)
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wil2511

you are
David Bannister  
#30 Posted : 27 January 2012 11:21:04(UTC)
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David Bannister

There has been some first class advice given on this thread, all acknowledged by the OP (a rarity). A great advertisement for our Institution.

I think one point in particular is worth repeating: most employers, recruitment agencies and HR people have zero knowledge of what military personnel do, other than what they see on TV and movies. It is therefore essential to get across in CVs and accompanying application letters the skills, abilities, knowledge, achievements etc that are useful and transferable to the organisation to which you are applying. Management skill, organisational ability, leadership, creativity, work ethic, reliability all count highly.
wil2511  
#31 Posted : 27 January 2012 11:37:00(UTC)
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wil2511

I agree I have had some great advice and alot of help from people PM'ing me and I couldn't happier with my choice to pursue a career in H&S. I am very aware that its difficult to get work at the moment but I am happy even work for free for a few months if that's what its going to take to land a job. Again thanks to all for the advice its a massive help.
F Brown  
#32 Posted : 27 January 2012 14:13:54(UTC)
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F Brown

You could also upload your CV to jobsites and consider joining up to Linkedin.com

I suggest in your CV you make the most of your risk management skills, dynamic risk assessment skills, difficult situation handling and if you can top that with office/organisation or man management skills - you'd be doing great.

Good luck and welcome to the wonderful world that is H&S!

Just to be provocative - if you used REgards instead of Regards - some would consider you overlook spelling mistakes and details........ lol :)
djkbrown2001  
#33 Posted : 30 January 2012 12:58:03(UTC)
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djkbrown2001

Will,

PM, so we can exchange details and have a chat. I am ex-forces myself and I was able to find work (after leaving the army less than 2 years ago).

I will be able to point you in the right direction.

Are you planning on leaving the Army? If so how soon?
mr.aedwards  
#34 Posted : 31 January 2012 16:32:11(UTC)
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mr.aedwards

Will,

As an Engineer have you thought about the construction certificate? You may have numerous transferable skills that the construction industry may be looking for.

I am a former Bootneck, started with the general then moved onto the Diploma. You will have experience, its a case of looking at what you have done in your military career and how that transfers into civvie street.

regards

Tony
AllanFS  
#35 Posted : 31 January 2012 21:09:52(UTC)
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AllanFS

Its all fair and square leaving the Forces after doing Tours in hostile environments but the Forces leaver will need experience in the chosen Safety field that they are getting into. I"ve noticed a lot of Ex-Forces trying to get a break in H&S thinking they can get in the back door due to their experiences and roles in the past. Most employers don"t know and don"t care about a former service persons past.
I speak from experience after leaving a Jock infantry battalion 15 years ago and found many employers ignorant and not interested on the skills I gained whilst serving.
I"ve been in construction now since that time and gained my first H&S adviser role last year due to my construction experience. Its tougher leaving the services now due to the financial climate in civvy street and wish them all the best as the competition for H&S roles is tough at the moment
wil2511  
#36 Posted : 05 February 2012 17:57:31(UTC)
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wil2511

Cheers Allan. It is hard at the moment I've sent my CV out to a lot of people and not one has come back with anything, but I can understand why like you say alot of employers wont understand that we deal with H&S everyday just like any other job they just think we run around shooting guns and shouting at each other and I cant blame them. It really is all about that first chance.
wil2511  
#37 Posted : 05 February 2012 18:10:23(UTC)
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wil2511

Thanks mr.aedwards I do want to complete my construction once i have got all the other courses done and like you say I will have a lot of transferable skills as construction is mainly what Engineers do. Thank you.
NeilBoorman  
#38 Posted : 05 February 2012 19:32:57(UTC)
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NeilBoorman

wil2511,

You heard of Training4forces? Look them up as, owners are both ex-RE (Maj & Capt)..good rates for NEBOSH etc and they have ex-mil trainers who know the outside world. Also look into what you can get out of RE CPD..you could get a Bursary.

I'm former Ops Officer for RE CPD & left the Corps in 2004. Got head hunted by an ex-colleague in 2007 and I'm now now CMIOSH. Took me 4 years so keep your head up & keep the professional attitude. Also might be worth subscribing to Linkedin..loads of ex-mil/RE & good for networking. Try & get some work experience too. I'm in construction so it's important to know the industry as you come up against very professional & knowledgeable people in a very fast paced environment. You need to be practically minded, proactive etc etc.

PM me no prob's..happy to help if needed!

REgards

Neil
wil2511  
#39 Posted : 05 February 2012 19:55:55(UTC)
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wil2511

Thanks Neil I have signed up to linkedin a few weeks ago and I would be very happy to get some work experience once I have passed my courses. I think it something I will need to do just so I can see how it works in the real world. thanks for the advice. are you on linkedin ?
NeilBoorman  
#40 Posted : 06 February 2012 09:02:54(UTC)
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NeilBoorman

PM me & I'll send the link
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