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jarsmith83  
#1 Posted : 12 January 2012 14:55:50(UTC)
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jarsmith83

Hi Guys We are issuing portable fire extinguishers to our guys on site. I have `advised` the contract manager that they have no inspection stickers on the side of these extinguishers and we do not have a record of when these were issued. I have suggested we get these all tested and redistubuted (as long as they all pass). We will then log these inspection on a log book electronically and also put stickers on the side with the date of last test dispalyed on the side. The contract manager has replied by saying in no uncertain terms he will not pay for this but he will now enter on a electronic log book a rough date of issue. My question is: Do you think I am being unreasonable with my requests? and also what do you think of the contract managers solution to this? Bit of further info on the situation: The contract started 7 months ago, so his estimate will be based loosly on this point.
Andrew W Walker  
#2 Posted : 12 January 2012 15:09:49(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

Not much for the Managers solution. I don't think that you are being unreasonable at all. If they haven't been tested, how will you know they are fit for purpose? Andy
HeO2  
#3 Posted : 12 January 2012 15:21:11(UTC)
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HeO2

As the fire extinguishers are a pressurised vessel they will require at least a hydrostatic test at the intervals stated below. this is on top of the 12 monthly checks. Stored-pressure water, loaded system, and/or antifreeze 5 years Wetting Agent 5 years AFFF (aqueous film-forming foam) 5 years FFFP (film-forming fluoroprotein foam) 5 years Dry chemical with stainless steel shells 5 years Carbon dioxide 5 years Wet Chemical 5 years Dry chemical, stored-pressure, with mild steel shells brazed brass shells, or aluminum shells 12 years Dry chemical, cartridge-or cylinder- operated, with mild steel shells 12 years Halogenated agents 12 years Dry powder, stored-pressure, cartridge- or -cylinder- operated, with mild steel shells 12 years Phil
alan_uk  
#4 Posted : 12 January 2012 16:18:23(UTC)
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alan_uk

Not unreasonable at all. They should be examined / tested same as any other extinguishers. By the way if recording when issued, ideally a signature should be obtained from the person issued to. Have the people issued with the extinguishers been provided with training in their use? or is that something else your manager would want to squirm out of paying for.
firesafety101  
#5 Posted : 12 January 2012 17:23:54(UTC)
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firesafety101

Who is in control of the site/s? If your people then they must fire risk assess - and that will include ensuring all extinguishers are in date for testing. If another contractor in charge then he must have a fire risk assesment. If you bring a fire extinguisher onto my site I want to know if it is up to date. Not rocket science is it?
Bob Shillabeer  
#6 Posted : 12 January 2012 20:18:08(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Forget when they were first issued or manufactured. Have all the people being issued with one been trained in how to use one? Get them tp throw the thing at the fire and leg it away and call the fire brigade. What is the likelyhood of anyone having to use the thing and how much will it cost to train everyone to a standard where you can be confident that they would be used properly? Remember the first thing in any fire situation is the safety of people, property comes well after that. The fire service will deal with the fire, large or small.
jarsmith83  
#7 Posted : 13 January 2012 10:55:10(UTC)
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jarsmith83

I agree with all of your responses and unfortunately this is the case of "money talks". I have outlined the significance of not complying and the potential outcomes of this choice. I will just have to keep persevering I guess, its very depressing sometimes when common sense is ignored. Later on I will by demonstrating that the sky is indeed blue :-)
Ron Hunter  
#8 Posted : 13 January 2012 11:48:33(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I'm kinda with Bob here. As you say, "money talks", but what of the justification in the significant outlay in actually issuing them in the first place (training costs etc. notwithstanding)? Besides that I've often come across the scenario where the extnguisher (along with requisite PPE) is "in the van" (somewhere) !!!
Safety Smurf  
#9 Posted : 13 January 2012 12:06:37(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

jarsmith83 wrote:
Later on I will by demonstrating that the sky is indeed blue :-)
Not in my cupboard it isn't! ;-) Playing Devil's advocat for a minute; Where all the extinguishers new when the contract started 7 months ago?
SP900308  
#10 Posted : 13 January 2012 12:13:26(UTC)
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SP900308

A problem I pick up on inspections regularly. The excuse given is 'when the job finishes, the extinguishers go in the bin!'
jarsmith83  
#11 Posted : 13 January 2012 12:29:13(UTC)
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jarsmith83

Safety Smurf wrote:
jarsmith83 wrote:
Later on I will by demonstrating that the sky is indeed blue :-)
Not in my cupboard it isn't! ;-) Playing Devil's advocat for a minute; Where all the extinguishers new when the contract started 7 months ago?
Yes they where new then, what are you thinking??
jarsmith83  
#12 Posted : 13 January 2012 12:30:18(UTC)
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jarsmith83

*were!!
Terry556  
#13 Posted : 13 January 2012 12:38:26(UTC)
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Terry556

If the extuiguishers are only 7 months old, then another 5 months they are due to be checked for their annual inspection, get an outside contractor in to do the inspection, then if you have fire wardens then they can do the weekly inspection to check for damage etc, then record the inspection on a spread sheet on the comouter, as long as you have records then you are compliant
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