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We have the facility in our workshop to MIG weld small components, on a bench, up against a wall. We weld very intermittently but our welder, who was fully protected, was doing some welding this morning which took about 10 minutes. I have received a complaint from another member of the workforce complaining about the lack of a welding screen around the welding area, stating everyone else in the workshop are exposed to the UV light emitted. The nearest anyone was to the light source was about 20' away, and they were undertaking there own tasks, not actually looking in the direction of the welding activity (hopefully). Comments please.
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Looking at the arc of a weld for a few seconds even at a further distance will give arc eye. As an apprentice 30 + years ago absent mindedly staring off into space to have an arc struck or an arc in process causes arc eye I remember. So yes a screen is highly recommend and a must IMHO. Whilst most experience workers train themselves to ignore to arc flash, there will always be someone caught out by viewing in the direction of the arc strike. You most definitely need a screen in place.
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Measurements of UV from a welding operation in this paper http://annhyg.oxfordjour...g/content/45/7/597.short give values in the following range: Maximum was 7.85 W/m2 at 1 metre. Applying the inverse square law this will translate to 7.85/36 = 0.22 W/m2 at a distance of 20 feet (approx 6 m) Minimum was 0.28 W/m2 at 1 metre, which translates to 0.008 W/m2 at 6 m. The ELV exposure limit values as proposed in ‘A non-binding guide to the artificial optical radiation directive 2006/25/EC’ published by the Radiation Protection Division Health protection Agency suggests a worst case where the limits would be: 1 min at 0.5 W/m2, 5 min at 0.1 W/m2 and 1 hour at 0.008 W/m2. The irradiance will depend on the current, and is higher as the welding current increases.
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The UV light generated by welding is a very strong and intense source of light. It can cause temporary and permanent damage to the eyes depending on the level of exposure. Just because you are a long way from it, does it make it no longer hazardous. Your welder correctly protected himself, but has not protected his co-workers from the UV light. From the information available, it implies that there were no screens available. This implies a couple of breachers under the HASAW act. - A breach under Section 2 by the employer, who has failed in their duty to provide a safe working environment - A breach under Section 7 by the employee, who has failed to take reasonable care for the health and safety of other persons who may be affected by his acts or omissions at work Portable welding screens are inexpensive these days with prices starting at under £30, http://www.weldingframe....00-welding-frame-curtain If screens are not available the welder should ensure that the workshop is cleared while he carries out the work under a SSOW.
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Theoretically, arc-eye shouldn't be possible more than 15 feet from the arc, however, reflective light can produce arc-eye at greater distances. What is important here is what the content of the risk assessment said, and if the author's comments were acted upon, for example, I would suggest that the wall at the back of the bench be painted with non-reflective paint, a screen or temporary barrier is erected whenever welding (arc) processes are undertaken and signage is displayed, informing all staff of the arc radiation activity. If there were no suitable controls in place, a new risk assessment should be undertaken forthwith, and effective controls implemented as a priority. Furthermore, the welder should have sufficient training to realise the effect (or potential effect) that arc-welding processes can have on others, this is not restricted to arc-eye, local exhaust ventilation should be provided, or other sufficient means of removing air-borne particles and fumes (Argon is an asphyxiant in high concentrations) and heat hazards should also be considered, along with fire fighting considerations and escape/evacuation plans. Hope this is helpful, Regards, Roy
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jfw wrote:The UV light generated by welding is a very strong and intense source of light. It can cause temporary and permanent damage to the eyes depending on the level of exposure. Just because you are a long way from it, does it make it no longer hazardous.
I would disagree somewhat with your final sentence. The irradiance falls as the inverse square of the distance and if you are far enough away it is no longer hazardous. In this case it is likely that 20 feet is not far enough away for it to be below the exposure limit. A good suggestion has been made to paint the wall with a non-reflective paint. This can be any colour. Light colours are best, black is not a good idea.
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Cant you just wait and see if an injury develops, if it does its a riddor arc eye and possible claim, if not then treat it as a hazard observation / near miss and put in suitable control measures for the hazard.
If your personnel had safety glasses on in the Workshop, this may too have lessened the eye energy absorbed over the 20' distance. Also, doesnt UV light turn to Infa red over longer distances which can be less harmful than the UV... might be out on a wing with this one though lol.
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No, ultraviolet radiation does not turn into infrared. I've know people develop arc-eye (inflamation of the conjunctiva) at much greater distances than 20 feet. Mind you, it was with 400A welders. No screens....this is 2012 is it not ? Screens are a very basic requirement. oh, and it doesn't need constant exposure either. still, only 40 years welding. What do i know. (keep a load of wet-wipes in the 'fridge...take two aspirin and then go to bed with a bunch of the cold wet-wipes in a plastic bag over your eyelids) Symptoms: like having hot sand under your eyelids, with intense pain. Short-lived. Rarely permanently damaging. A few seconds exposure the next day will start it again. Fast.
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rockybalboa wrote:Cant you just wait and see if an injury develops, An interesting technique for risk assessment!
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stillp wrote:rockybalboa wrote:Cant you just wait and see if an injury develops, An interesting technique for risk assessment! Stillp, your comment is way off the mark. First whats with the exclamation mark, does that add to your comment or more than likely make you look like you're trolling this forum. Second, if it were a risk assessment then its certainly a reactive one yet your comment appears that you think its a proactive one so I dont get how they tie up. Its quite simple if the guy isnt injured then there is no cause for great panic is there, if he is injured, then the damage is done and we cant undo it, we can only react, put in control measures and wait for the claim as I stated. I do exclaim!!!!
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rockybalboa wrote:stillp wrote:
Its quite simple if the guy isnt injured then there is no cause for great panic is there, if he is injured, then the damage is done and we cant undo it, we can only react, put in control measures and wait for the claim as I stated.
I'd suggest that even if the employee is not injured, with the wealth of guidance available and the industry wide recognised standard of always using a welding screen to protect other persons / passers-by, the risk assessment should be amended and the control brought in. The lack of an injury does not in itself mean the working practice is acceptable.
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Jake wrote:rockybalboa wrote:stillp wrote:
Its quite simple if the guy isnt injured then there is no cause for great panic is there, if he is injured, then the damage is done and we cant undo it, we can only react, put in control measures and wait for the claim as I stated.
I'd suggest that even if the employee is not injured, with the wealth of guidance available and the industry wide recognised standard of always using a welding screen to protect other persons / passers-by, the risk assessment should be amended and the control brought in. The lack of an injury does not in itself mean the working practice is acceptable. Why are people quoting my comments then going of on complete tangents, is it just me?? I'd suggest that even if the employee is not injured, with the wealth of guidance available and the industry wide recognised standard of always using a welding screen to protect other persons / passers-by, the risk assessment should be amended and the control brought in. My comment is reactive not proactive as I stated. The lack of an injury does not in itself mean the working practice is acceptable. Where did I say it did make it acceptable, please digress.
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ctd167 wrote:We have the facility in our workshop to MIG weld small components, on a bench, up against a wall. We weld very intermittently but our welder, who was fully protected, was doing some welding this morning which took about 10 minutes. I have received a complaint from another member of the workforce complaining about the lack of a welding screen around the welding area, stating everyone else in the workshop are exposed to the UV light emitted. The nearest anyone was to the light source was about 20' away, and they were undertaking there own tasks, not actually looking in the direction of the welding activity (hopefully). Comments please. I don't think there's any question about whether a screen should be provided here. To my mind there's no question that a screen should be installed to prevent the possibility of employees being affected by the arc welding work. The 2 things to really consider here is that you've had a complaint from another employee relating to a safety issue (think liability in the event of n accident/incident). Secondly, you've effectively stated that you cannot be sure that other members of staff would not look at the activity taking place (to quote Mr Deniro in 'Ronin' - When there is doubt there is no doubt) and regardless of the distance that they may undertake their own duties I'd guess there'll be a chance that they could be closer.
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rockybalboa wrote:stillp wrote:rockybalboa wrote:Cant you just wait and see if an injury develops, An interesting technique for risk assessment! Stillp, your comment is way off the mark. First whats with the exclamation mark, does that add to your comment or more than likely make you look like you're trolling this forum. Second, if it were a risk assessment then its certainly a reactive one yet your comment appears that you think its a proactive one so I dont get how they tie up. Its quite simple if the guy isnt injured then there is no cause for great panic is there, if he is injured, then the damage is done and we cant undo it, we can only react, put in control measures and wait for the claim as I stated. I do exclaim!!!! Rocky, my point was not intended to cause offence, but I'm sure you wouldn't recommend assessing any other risk by waiting to see if harm occurs. "Is using a ladder for that task dangerous? Let's wait and see if the worker falls off it." I really don't understand where you are coming from with your comment, but it looked to me that you were advising there was no need for action if no injury developed.
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